Appraisal Personal Objectives

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longers

Legendary Member
If that's SWOT and SMART is described earlier, what're RACI and PESTLE?

We don't get any of this guff thankfully.
 

threebikesmcginty

Corn Fed Hick...
Location
...on the slake
longers said:
We don't get any of this guff thankfully.

Aaahh GUFF.

Greatly Underachieving, Fill-in Form. :evil:
 

bobg

Über Member
All of which reminded me about return to work interviews


" ... Good Morning Mr Smith, I trust you are well after your two days sick absence, what exactly was the matter with you

I had a cold

I see and can we explore ways in which this can be avoided in future? "
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
Coo. What a bunch of moaning minnies.

I'm out, I'm proud. I like appraisals. Both as a manager and as someone who is managed. They give me the chance to focus on me (or my individual minion) for a couple of hours, stepping back from the relentless grind of getting things done, and making sure that things get done better in the future. I don't always set SMART targets, I don't always write up my appraisals, but by golly I make sure they happen.

If you apply them intelligently, any management technique can be beneficial. I've certainly used SWOT as a way of thinking about a situation. I've got people who presumably think about RACI for me (after all, what's the point of project managers if not to keep track of this sort of thing) and I've never had to do big-ticket strategic items in the way that PESTLE does. On the other hand, I do know my MBTI (and I occasionally find it useful) and my preferred Belbin team roles (which is very handy when it comes to recruiting). I can wave my hands around and draw half-meaningless pictures with the best of them.
 

4F

Active member of Helmets Are Sh*t Lobby
Location
Suffolk.
srw said:
Coo. What a bunch of moaning minnies.

I'm out, I'm proud. I like appraisals. Both as a manager and as someone who is managed. They give me the chance to focus on me (or my individual minion) for a couple of hours, stepping back from the relentless grind of getting things done, and making sure that things get done better in the future. I don't always set SMART targets, I don't always write up my appraisals, but by golly I make sure they happen.

If you apply them intelligently, any management technique can be beneficial. I've certainly used SWOT as a way of thinking about a situation. I've got people who presumably think about RACI for me (after all, what's the point of project managers if not to keep track of this sort of thing) and I've never had to do big-ticket strategic items in the way that PESTLE does. On the other hand, I do know my MBTI (and I occasionally find it useful) and my preferred Belbin team roles (which is very handy when it comes to recruiting). I can wave my hands around and draw half-meaningless pictures with the best of them.

WTF ?
 
Are you a qualified to give feedback using MBTI srw?

For what it's worth, Belbin team roles are DANGEROUS. They are completely invalid and do not tell you anything worth knowing about a person or their performance. They should NEVER EVER be used in selection, and only in very specific personal development contexts.
 

bobg

Über Member
srw said:
Coo. What a bunch of moaning minnies.

I'm out, I'm proud. I like appraisals. Both as a manager and as someone who is managed. They give me the chance to focus on me (or my individual minion) for a couple of hours, stepping back from the relentless grind of getting things done, and making sure that things get done better in the future. I don't always set SMART targets, I don't always write up my appraisals, but by golly I make sure they happen.

If you apply them intelligently, any management technique can be beneficial. I've certainly used SWOT as a way of thinking about a situation. I've got people who presumably think about RACI for me (after all, what's the point of project managers if not to keep track of this sort of thing) and I've never had to do big-ticket strategic items in the way that PESTLE does. On the other hand, I do know my MBTI (and I occasionally find it useful) and my preferred Belbin team roles (which is very handy when it comes to recruiting). I can wave my hands around and draw half-meaningless pictures with the best of them.

Falls to knees,
Holy Mary Mother of God, rid me of this demon in our midst.......
 

Norm

Guest
I'm starting to think that I am actually srw. :wacko: :smile:

I did my team for the first time last week. One of them was very cynical to start with, her prep notes included "waste of time", "box-ticking", "benefit the company", all that stuff. Afterwards, she thought she got so much out of the discussion that she asked if we could do it quarterly. When I suggested doing that to the others, they all said yes.

It's all about attitude. If both parties approach it as if it is just filling in forms, then neither will be surprised if the outcome doesn't amount to much more than a form which has been filled in.

My appraisal with my boss is next week. He was so concerned at what I'd written in my prep notes that I got a call from the Global HR manager this afternoon. I don't like to pull punches. :biggrin:
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
I'm with Trustysteed here.
I've done this stuff many times over with different corporations over the years and my conclusion is that it's mostly bollocks for most people most of the time.
I'm 47, I'm pretty damn good at what I do, I work hard, am almost always enthusiatic, I can travel wherever whenever at short notice and work in difficult circumstances with minimal support. There are not many people in the organisation that can do the same.

I have no desire for promotion or extra responsibility, I enjoy what I do and wish it to remain that way, I think that's in everybodies (mine and the companies) interest. I'm also painfully aware that the things that would help me and my colleagues be more effective (to achieve the companies goals) are not the things I/we are gonna gonna get.
Oh, and by the way, where was the bonus, the pay rise for meeting targets and having the best results ever... nowhere, that's where. Why? Because next year's looking a bit tight on the economy front. Well that'sjust great, we do everything asked for and more and they still have a reason to give us zip.

I do know that the company will find more ways to have me sitting at a computer writing interminable reports, wrestling with goddam awful software systems like 'Salesfarce', various purchasing systems, the next new expense system, the booking a resource system, the online learning and management system, the ordering a paperclip system and the returning to the office after having had a dump form.

Ever wondered why people are so cynical and demotivated by corporate appraisals? Maybe because they're such empty vessels. If they were such a good thing surely we would all be enthused by them.

Yeterday an email with a Fcucking great attachment arrived in my mailbox welcoming me to the start of 2010s appraisal system, it's gonna drain the lifeblood of people over the next 6 months with demotivate drivel... Jesus wept... he really did, he was fcucking unconsolable...
 

Rhythm Thief

Legendary Member
Location
Ross on Wye
I'm so glad I'm a lorry driver ... no one's interested in our development within the company, leaving us to just get on with our jobs. I even like being employed only from the neck down.:smile:
 

Norm

Guest
Fab Foodie said:
I have no desire for promotion or extra responsibility, I enjoy what I do and wish it to remain that way
Indeed, one of the common questions is "what do you see yourself doing in 12/24/60 months". The answer "what I'm doing now" doesn't appear to be acceptable, they are all designed to "help" people to progress without recognising that not everyone does want to progress.
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
Norm said:
Indeed, one of the common questions is "what do you see yourself doing in 12/24/60 months". The answer "what I'm doing now" doesn't appear to be acceptable, they are all designed to "help" people to progress without recognising that not everyone does want to progress.

Or even that there are opportunities to progress into...
When I was interviewed for this job I remember waiting for the 'Where do you see yourself in XXX' question. I replied that I saw myself doing the same job just being more competant at it. After I got the job I was told that was the right answer, because there was nowhere for anyone with ambition to go in the organisation. Suited me perfectly.
On the other hand, there are one or two people that really deserve to have some recognition for a job very well done over the last 12 months and who have really developed and I doubt they'll get anything worthwhile. It doesn't have to be big, but they should get something over and above the inflation pay rise to recognise and reward their development.
 

mangaman

Guest
Kirstie said:
Yes this is a right bag of toss

However you can have lots of fun with 'measurable'. Just think of all the devices there are in the world which measure things:

weighbridges
giger counters
mass spectrometers
thermometers
rulers
speedometers
depth guages

etc.

So in your appraisal, try to work in as many outlandish measurement devices you possibly can, that will indicate you have done something. eg produce enough paperwork to register on a weighbridge. Reduce office temperature by 1 degree, as measured by a thermometer, by being repeatedly 'working from home' etc etc

And it will certainly be a challenge. So, double whammy

:smile:

Ilove that logic Kirstie - my appraisal is approaching...

I love the weighbridge option!
 

Rhythm Thief

Legendary Member
Location
Ross on Wye
beanzontoast said:
My advice would be to pick a couple of aspects of your job that YOU want to find out more about ...

Perhaps the ability to finish earlier on a Friday. And an extra few quid an hour. That's all I'm really bothered about.:smile:
 
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