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Are the safety stats misleading ?

Discussion in 'Advocacy and Cycling Safety' started by kingrollo, 29 Dec 2017.

  1. OP

    kingrollo Über Member

    It wasn't deaths that I referred to as alarming - its the increase in serious injuries, which multiple reports show are rising
  2. jarlrmai

    jarlrmai Veteran

    There's anecdote on these forums about a guy who bashed his head on a pedal while fixing his bike in the shed, the nurse asked if he was wearing a helmet, so that might have been recorded as a cycling accident.
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  3. Not just on this forum, but in this very thread!

  4. srw

    srw It's a bit more complicated than that...

    Apart from the one you're replying to...

    Sorry to be a pedant, but that doesn't show serious injuries rising. It shows serious injuries as pretty static from 2006 - 2010 and again pretty static from 2011 - 2015.

    There are any number of things that could cause this, but top of my list would be a one-off change in methodology of collecting or collating the stats in 2011.

    Two other things to bear in mind. First, "serious injuries" in the technical sense aren't actually necessarily "serious" in the colloquial sense. When Mrs W was knocked off her bike and admitted to hospital because she'd been kept waiting in A&E for 4 hours - the hospital didn't want to bugger up their A&E targets - that counted as a "serious injury" even though she walked out of hospital the same day and was pain-free within a couple of weeks. Second, the denominator of the rate - the distance cycled - is incredibly difficult to measure, and the ONS have said that it's possibly unreliable - under-reporting quite a lot.

    Oh, and of course 650 per billion kilometres is tiny. Absolutely minute. It's one per 1.5 million kilometres. Steve Abraham is trying to ride 120,000 km in one year, at a pace of something over 300km per day. If he did that every year it would still take him 12.5 years to ride 1.5 million km.
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  5. OP

    kingrollo Über Member

    Yes I think life changing injuries would be a better measure.
  6. byegad

    byegad Guru

    NE England
    It was I and yes they recorded it as a cycling accident. Much to my annoyance!
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  7. MontyVeda

    MontyVeda a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll

    I'd be annoyed too... but the mileage from the anecdote... priceless :smile:

    [edited for grammar]
    Last edited: 6 Feb 2018
  8. byegad

    byegad Guru

    NE England
    I never hold a grudge too long, twenty years after I'm safely dead will be enough!
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  9. Regulator

    Regulator Not a SPM snowflake.

    From the statistical definitions bit:

    The reality is, if someone is taken to hospital the police will class it is as serious injury. If they are treated at the roadside or no medical treatment is required, they'll class it is a slight injury.

    Mrs W's experience is not uncommon...
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