Andy in Germany
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Are we being forced to go electric?
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not sure if its been mentioned
Porsche are developing a synthetic fuel , well an e fuel that uses waste c02 with hydrogen to produce methanol that can be refined to make synthetic petrol/diesel.
The Net c02 emissions are said to be zero as the c02 emitted have already captured and they are hoping the electric used is from renewable sources.
Dont shoot the messenger as i am only quoting from the article
https://www.topspeed.com/heres-how-porsche-plans-to-keep-internal-combustion-alive/
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sUug1kfNps
Porsche are developing a synthetic fuel , well an e fuel that uses waste c02 with hydrogen to produce methanol that can be refined to make synthetic petrol/diesel.
The Net c02 emissions are said to be zero as the c02 emitted have already captured and they are hoping the electric used is from renewable sources.
Dont shoot the messenger as i am only quoting from the article
https://www.topspeed.com/heres-how-porsche-plans-to-keep-internal-combustion-alive/
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sUug1kfNps
99% by HGV so the remaining damage done by millions of car/van vehicles is 1%. Having heavier cars is a gnat's poo worth of extra damage
Ever seen oil pollution 500 miles of coastline polluted. Exon
This was before it ever caused more pollution by being burnt with internal combustion engines.
Andy in Germany
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44,000lbs is about 22 000kg, or 22 tonnes; that's roughly the equivalent payload to a 3 axle truck non-articulated truck in the UK/EU. To achieve a comparable rating, Tesla have proposed a 5 or 6 axle ariculated HGV, which takes much longer to refuel.
There's probably a future for small scale battery powered trucks, but for long distance travel or freight transit, we have the technology, but it isn't cars or trucks with batteries.
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I'm not supporting ICV's and never have; I'm pointing out that EV's are probably as bad and won't allow people to follow 'business as usual'.
It's also arguable that you can't run a private EV based transport system in a world that doesn't have access to cheap oil.
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Porsche have a experimental development site in Chile. One of the windiest places on the planet.
They can make several hundred thousand litres per year from this site.
It was calculated that literally tens of thousands of these sites to make millions of litres of 'green' petrol.
This is to satisfy the fuel demands of USA for one day.
Just not feasible in scale
Andy in Germany
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Unfortunately it's saying what people really, really, want to hear; they can carry on the same with minimal change and it will all somehow work because technology. Unfortunately this will have to run its course and the snake oil salesmen will have their day.
I think there is a huge opportunity to transition to EV haulage. Locally from distribution hubs.
Re Tesla, they can drive 500 miles on a single charge fully loaded cargo. It won't be long before someone makes an even bigger EV semi.
Maybe Nikola
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I think there is a huge opportunity to transition to EV haulage. Locally from distribution hubs.
Re Tesla, they can drive 500 miles on a single charge fully loaded cargo. It won't be long before someone makes an even bigger EV semi.
Maybe Nikola
500 miles carrying the equivalent to a medium sized truck, slowly judging by the number of vehicles overtaking them.
And they still have no date for delivery more exact than "This year".
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Tesla already running quite a few. The biggest advertising project is Pepsi have taken to delivering their goods. I think they have around 20 Tesla trucks
Edit Pepsi ordered 36 trucks
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Tesla running them doesn't really count because they won't give accurate feedback.
The company made their announcement of "First deliveries this year"in a tweet a couple of days ago. Going on past experience I'll believe it when I see it. Rumours so far are that Pepsi "may be" first to get them.
Eventually if/when they finally deliver, these trucks will still be carrying the payload of a medium sized truck in a 16 wheel articulated truck, plus a lot of batteries. I suspect they will be used on a limited basis by big companies that can afford the horrendous economics because they want to look green.
As I said before, people really want to hear what the EV suppliers are saying, so it has to run its course.
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classic33
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99% is a miscalculated figure from the 1950's.* But as cars get heavier, and their numbers continue to increase, so will the damage they do.
*Worth noting that private car ownership has increased in the US(where the figure was drawn up for) since then.
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They only have 14 working, out of a promised fleet of 56. Five remain in Tesla's "Area 51", closed to nearly all the truck designers, being repaired.
classic33
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Well it is his motor design that's being used. Even he foresaw improvements in manufacturing and included them in his original patent application.I think there is a huge opportunity to transition to EV haulage. Locally from distribution hubs.
Re Tesla, they can drive 500 miles on a single charge fully loaded cargo. It won't be long before someone makes an even bigger EV semi.
Maybe Nikola
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