icowden
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Fair play. They do make the vast majority of their own parts though compared to other manufacturers.
Are we being forced to go electric?
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The article is from 2018. Tesla model S went on the road around 2013. Yes the early cars had used, proven tech to make their cars, but since the release of the Model 3 in 2017/18, Tesla are far more vertically integrated.
Their hardware computers were intel, then AMD, now their making their own.
Same with many components. Batteries are made by Panasonic and CATL.
Tesla compared to many manufacturers are far more in house- a bit like Apple but for cars, which considering how many components are in a vehicle is quite something, not like making a phone.
lazybloke
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Thanks, really interesting to see some actual savings figures on elec versus traditional fuels. Even if EV charging had full VAT applied it would still be a massive "fuel" cost saving.
Although any actual savings would be a calculation that included all your leasing costs, and I was utterly horrified by some of the ev leasing quotes when my dad sold his hybrid and went full ev.
lazybloke
Ginger biscuits and cheddar
I said ALL lease costs had to be considered, eg initial lease payment, fees, any mileage charges, etc. Your rounded-down figure from "a few years ago" sounds like the kind of evasive nonsense I'd expect from a dodgy salesman!
I got a lease price from vanorama; 4 years , new Tesla Model 3 AWD (Long Range). Servicing and breakdown are covered, and a useful 12,000 miles a year, but the total cost is £38K over 4 years which averages out at £800 a month.
Seems like a lot, but I guess £38K to have 4 years use of a £52K car is acceptable to many.
I prefer long-term ownership, which has the much larger upfront cost, but lower TCO.
Am not sure my approach will be viable with EVs if thy continue to be more expensive than an equivalent ICE, whilst potentially not providing the same reliability and longevity. POtentially that makes leasing more attractive, and yet more expensive than ever!
youngoldbloke
The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
Even with current financial climate, there appears to be no slow down in EV adoption.
Perhaps Putin ought to consider them for his dwindling armoury
Who do we believe https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/...harging-network-blamed-ev-demand-slowed-april ?
I see that we have some new rules to obey or face a £100 fine. Running out of juice⚡in EVs apparently is quite common and liquid powered ones are high as well due to less frequent visits to the garages for fuel. Germany has the fines for causing delays in traffic (normal not having winter tyres)
icowden
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That really baffles me. I find reading my power level far easier than reading a fuel gauge and the car practically insists on taking me to a charger once I'm getting low on juice. If I'm going a long way, it builds in charging stops, and if I really need to I can switch into eco mode, slow down etc. The lowest charge I have ever returned home with was 7% which works out to 20 miles or so.
EV breakdowns for running out of charge are at about 4% compared to about 28% of ICE breakdowns for petrol/diesel. Most EV breakdowns are tyre issues.
https://www.lv.com/insurance/press/electric-car-breakdowns
Finally, I have managed to put petrol in a diesel before now, but I have never put the wrong type of electricity into my EV...
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vickster
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This is correct, my friend has received notification of his cancellation of his new X this morning.
cougie uk
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It gets even better if you have solar panels. My car's been running in sunshine almost the whole week.
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