Baby Boomers - Where's My Audi Then?

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donnydave

Über Member
Location
Cambridge
Anyone who had their mortgage approved on the basis of a 2.5x or 3x income multiple might want to consider that ratio for a moment or two ...

When my wife and I bought our house 3 years ago I remember having various meetings with mortgage advisers who basically said "right then, based on practically no information at all, you can have £xxxx" (3x our combined income) and we just looked at each other and laughed but its the norm and presented to you as a perfectly sensible thing to do, just on the basis that everyone else does it. In the end I think we ended up with about 2.2x. That gave me margin for a 1% rate rise in the first 3 years (assuming no pay rise), then when we came to the end of our fixed rate period the rate dropped again (as some capital had been repaid and value of property had crept up) so now I think I'm good for just over 1.5% rise before I have to use money currently going into other savings for the mortgage.

Now, what really worries me is that if I said all of the above to a lot of people I know who are of similar age to me (late 20's early 30's) who have either bought or who are thinking of buying a house I would be met with a blank stare or even derided for being a smart-arse.
 

swee'pea99

Squire
[QUOTE 2816188, member: 9609"]The thing that puzzles me is; Considering that we were brought up in a time before health and safety, Lead water pipes, lead painted toys, asbestos, even those who didn't smoke had at least 20 a day passively, no seat belts, no helmets, no central heating, in fact about nothing of anything in comparison to today's spoilt little kids...... How are we fitter and healthier than most 20 year olds.[/quote]
Proper food and exercise.
 

Dan B

Disengaged member
When my wife and I bought our house 3 years ago I remember having various meetings with mortgage advisers who basically said "right then, based on practically no information at all, you can have £xxxx" (3x our combined income) and we just looked at each other and laughed but its the norm and presented to you as a perfectly sensible thing to do, just on the basis that everyone else does it. In the end I think we ended up with about 2.2x.
Median house price in Cambridge in 2009 (the most recent I can find on t'internet without expending any actual effort researching): £213000
Median household income for "12UB Cambridge" in the same year: £30000
Necessary combined household income for a 2.2x multiplier: about £97000

I'm not saying these numbers are pertinent to your situation: clearly I've made a number of assumptions and they're not even for the same year. I just thought that they provided a neat illustration of what options may be open to today's average household in (my assumption) your area, because it doesn't seem to include buying today's average house

http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/business/research/economylab/labour/houseincome.htm
http://www.houseprices.uk.net/regional/cambridge.html
 

Kies

Guest
My house will be paid of in 9 years time and i shall be 57. They can have it when i die, and that will be greatest gift (after education & manners) that i can give them. I don't see how teenagers of today will be able to afford their own properties, without a substantial cash injection from their parents, who lived well, but not in access and certainly grafted to get where they are today.
 

cosmicbike

Perhaps This One.....
Moderator
Location
Egham
My kids however, have had e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g and my eldest is hurtling towards disappointment. I don't have enough work on, never do in Dec/Jan, so I have to do a leaflet drop today, to pick up whatever I can after the holidays, it's horribly boring but I have do do it. My son, soon to be 20 who has been entirely funded by me all his life, will not help me leaflet drop, in case his friends see him, instead, he will be in bed all day waiting for X Factor to discover him.

I do hope that you refuse to fund him any more then. Perfect example of the 'I deserve it all on a plate' generation, who cannot be bothered to put in the effort, but want to reap the rewards, preferably for doing sod all in the expectation that they will be superstars.
 

Wobblers

Euthermic
Location
Minkowski Space
[QUOTE 2816225, member: 9609"]And there's another thing, we managed to pay our mortgages off at rates often in double figures - and now we are having to fund our children's mortgages (i'm not, bollocks to that) because non of them have even the slightest concept of a hard days graft.[/quote]

I think a lot of the answer can be found here:

Even in a much shorter period, we see that from 1997 to 2012, the ratio of median house price to median earnings has increased from 3.54 to 6.74. That's a staggering reduction in affordability when you think about it.
 
[QUOTE 2816225, member: 9609"]And there's another thing, we managed to pay our mortgages off at rates often in double figures - and now we are having to fund our children's mortgages (i'm not, bollocks to that) because non of them have even the slightest concept of a hard days graft.[/quote]
Seem to remember it was 15% at one point. No wonder people were being repossessed left, right and centre.
 
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