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This will be a distraction from the main point of the thread, which is helping the OP make a claim for his bike. This is not the place for any discussion of helmet wearing.
Jimbolchi - if (and only if) you are interested in discussing whether or not you were wearing a helmet and/or whether or not it helped in your accident, you can reply to @Justinslow on this thread:
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/the-cyclechat-helmet-debate-thread.187059/
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Jimbolchi - hope you get things sorted. There is some good advice above.
Wether he was or wasn't isn't of any use after the fact. And until he gets better legal help, if I were him, knowing what I know now, I'd refuse to put the answer up here. Along with any questions about what he was wearing.Ok fair point, I did say I didn't want to start a fire over it! But am still genuinely interested in hearing @JimboIchi's views. Thanks.
so I was passing all the cars on the inside. I was going slowly enough to check if any cars were indicating left, especially as I approached junctions, but as I passed the cars, another car which was part of the oncoming traffic turned right into their drive way which I didn't see until I hit the side rear of the car and then somersaulted completely over it
Sorry to play devils advocate and if I have misunderstood but if the car had indicated and begun to manoeuvre over one lane of traffic to turn into their drive and you came up the inside (passenger side) of the lane and hit the back of the car the argument from the drivers insurance is going to be along the lines of you were hidden from view and should of anticipated the danger so although you have a damaged bike you are actually at fault as you hit him?
Regardless of blame, driving standards, filtering method etc I do hope you get your bike fixed and get better soon!
@User I agree with your comment and did not witness the collision however the point I was trying to make was that if the driver could not see the bicycle and rider as it was obscured or hidden from vision because he was filtering along the inside and proceeds because they believe it is clear and appears initially safe to proceed and then has a subsequent collision. The liability is a little bit less clear in my eyes as the manoeuvre went from perceived safe to unsafe and based on the description written by the OP it would hint to the car almost completing the turn and then the cyclist hitting the rear of the car (rather than the bonnet or front) as he/she saw the danger but failed to take action in time. The drivers insurance may argue that cyclist is in the wrong for cycling poorly up the inside. However I would say it is 100% driver fault if the OP had gone over the bonnet or hit the front of the car as the driver should of seen the danger and is a clear case of SMIDSY!
In essence what I am trying to see if how can a driver be at fault entirely for something which they cannot see or possibly know was there upon starting a turn which is different to looking and not acknowledging an 'object' which is clearly visible.
@Banjo is probably right, that the insurance may argue the toss on this one.
The OP wasn't filtering. He was using the ycle lane. The outside lane was stationary, the inside lane (cycle lane) wasn't. The driver, as has been previously said, failed to adequately check that the cycle lane was also clear of oncoming traffic before crossing it.@User I agree with your comment and did not witness the collision however the point I was trying to make was that if the driver could not see the bicycle and rider as it was obscured or hidden from vision because he was filtering along the inside and proceeds because they believe it is clear and appears initially safe to proceed and then has a subsequent collision. The liability is a little bit less clear in my eyes as the manoeuvre went from perceived safe to unsafe and based on the description written by the OP it would hint to the car almost completing the turn and then the cyclist hitting the rear of the car (rather than the bonnet or front) as he/she saw the danger but failed to take action in time. The drivers insurance may argue that cyclist is in the wrong for cycling poorly up the inside. However I would say it is 100% driver fault if the OP had gone over the bonnet or hit the front of the car as the driver should of seen the danger and is a clear case of SMIDSY!
In essence what I am trying to see if how can a driver be at fault entirely for something which they cannot see or possibly know was there upon starting a turn which is different to looking and not acknowledging an 'object' which is clearly visible.
@Banjo is probably right, that the insurance may argue the toss on this one.
Best delete the posts then so as not to confuse or offend anyoneOpps. I missed the cycle lane bit as he didn't mention it in the post but in the title so missed it. I retract what I say as it is complete tosh!
Best delete the posts then so as not to confuse or offend anyone