Box junction fines

[Ludwig]

I read that box junctions in London raise £18million, thats quite staggering. I wonder where the money goes and if everyone simply refused to pay these fines what would happen. As it must be tens of thousands who get caught out there would need to be a lot of debt collectors to go knocking on doors seizing goods and towing vehicles away if people refused to pay up.. This is a form of poll tax and just a revenue raising stunt and its time people stood up and said enough is enough.

 

[vernon]

Are you for real?

 

[BrynCP]

I wish they introduced automatic Box Junction policing here!

There is nothing worse than at peak time, trying to get out of a "minor" road and across a major road, only to find a queue of cars blocking you, and your light changes to red before it clears, and this repeats for a good 2 or 3 cycle of the lights. This is forgetting the fact it's blocked for emergency services.

I don't think it's a poll tax, but sensible. In fact, I say double the fines as they're clearly not deterring people!

 

[alecstilleyedye]

they should do it for cars in the asl zone...

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

what is a box junction?

 

[BrynCP]

they should do it for cars in the asl zone...

Indeed. I know which junctions have ASLs, and for good or bad, if I know there is one I am likely to filter from the back of a queue towards it. Getting to it and finding that Mr or Mrs Car decided today they were a bike is rather annoying. The worst offenders I find for the ASLs though are Taxis and Police Cars.

 

[stephec]

Don't break the law and you don't get a fine, piece of piss really.

 

[BrynCP]

Don't break the law and you don't get a fine, piece of **** really.

Just sometimes we should try and get the law changed.

For example, driving in a bus lane during operation is likely to result in a ticket if caught. I agree with this, it protects bus passengers, taxis, cyclists etc. (whoever is permitted to use it).

However, I believe that overtaking vehicles turning right should be permitted in bus lanes. And actually a number of councils do build this into the bus lane traffic orders. Hull haven't, and now they're installing bus lane cameras - the result is that you get a road, with two lanes, the left a bus lane, the right a normal lane. A car in the normal lane needs to turn right and can't, so you have nothing in front of it, but nothing can move! Ridiculous, and bad for the environment. If the bus lane was busy, I would say it's fine, as at least that lane is moving and doing what it is designed to do, but I submitted a FOI request and how many buses were expected to use this bus lane in the hours of its operation? 6, in 2.5 hours.

Sometimes a bit of common sense is needed.

 

[swee'pea99]

I wish they introduced automatic Box Junction policing here!

There is nothing worse than at peak time, trying to get out of a "minor" road and across a major road, only to find a queue of cars blocking you, and your light changes to red before it clears, and this repeats for a good 2 or 3 cycle of the lights. This is forgetting the fact it's blocked for emergency services.

I don't think it's a poll tax, but sensible. In fact, I say double the fines as they're clearly not deterring people!

As a civil libertarian, the fact that one in five of all the world's CCTV cameras are in this one small country offends me deeply, but the one good thing I can say for them is that used well they can change road behaviour for the good like nothing else. People in London don't drive in bus lanes. They used to. But now they don't. And for one simple reason. They know they'll get a photo of the offence thru' the post, along with a demand for £130. So bus lanes work as they should. Good. People who abuse box junctions should be similarly, routinely, persuaded to change their ways. Then they'll work properly too.

 

[vernon]

what is a box junction?

An illegal parking space.

 

[vernon]

 

[Brandane]

I read that box junctions in London raise £18million, thats quite staggering. I wonder where the money goes and if everyone simply refused to pay these fines what would happen. As it must be tens of thousands who get caught out there would need to be a lot of debt collectors to go knocking on doors seizing goods and towing vehicles away if people refused to pay up.. This is a form of poll tax and just a revenue raising stunt and its time people stood up and said enough is enough.

WTF? Why are you picking on yellow box junctions, which are actually a sensible aid to traffic flow?
Take it a step further and refuse to pay ALL fines for laws we don't agree with, and we have anarchy.
If you can't do the time (or in this case pay the fine), then don't do the crime.

 

[coffeejo]

its time people stood up and said enough is enough

... more action should be taken against more people who wilfully ignore the letter and the spirit of the law.

 

[snorri]

This is a form of poll tax and just a revenue raising stunt and its time people stood up and said enough is enough.

I think we should have a lot more of these revenue raising stunts in this country thus giving scope for a reduction in other forms of taxation.
Let the naughty boys and girls subsidise the law abiding citizens I say.

 

[Archie_tect]

One box junction on the roundabout at Scotwood Bridge gets ignored routinely so that traffic going west on Scotswood Road backs up for about 20-30 minutes on week-days. It's far, far quicker to cycle along Scotswood Road!

Mind you, it encouraged Mrs A_T to get the Metro to work everyday as it's cheaper and much quicker. Result!