Drago
Legendary Member
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- Suburban Poshshire
Well, she's gone with the Barbaric School of Maniacs for a start...
BSM student with instructor entertaining encounter at red
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AndyRM
XOXO
- Location
- North Shields
Have to agree with this. If I was the driver in this situation, I'd just come away thinking "Cyclists are tw@s."
OP
OP
jarlrmai
Veteran
My point was I saw an instructor teaching a young driver that the thing to do at a red light with a cyclist and a bus is to try and squeeze past them down a narrow half lane achieving nothing.
So if she had been going past me and the light changed I would have had to clip in and start with a car right by me, sure I could have waited and stop[ed all the traffic behind me until she had cleared the road but I didn't initiate the situation, it was a pointless MGIF being TAUGHT to a new driver, fair enough if the driving instructor said it was wrong later, but wouldn't feel happy being a human subject in her lesson would you?
They wouldn't engage in conversation her wing mirror was pretty close to my elbow, I felt intimidated as she was in the lane I was in it seemed like a bad situation for her and for me I asked the instructor what they were doing, I said camera and pointed at my hat tapping the camera I think people ought to know they are representing their company on camera.
I regret the space demonstration thing that was a rush of the blood that I've been trying to avoid this year.
I couldn't give a shoot if she thought cyclists are twats, they probably do already with a lack of anyone contradicting stupid driving around cyclists (even people who teach others to drive) maybe she might think that pulling that kind of manouever around a vulnerable road user is pointless
So if she had been going past me and the light changed I would have had to clip in and start with a car right by me, sure I could have waited and stop[ed all the traffic behind me until she had cleared the road but I didn't initiate the situation, it was a pointless MGIF being TAUGHT to a new driver, fair enough if the driving instructor said it was wrong later, but wouldn't feel happy being a human subject in her lesson would you?
They wouldn't engage in conversation her wing mirror was pretty close to my elbow, I felt intimidated as she was in the lane I was in it seemed like a bad situation for her and for me I asked the instructor what they were doing, I said camera and pointed at my hat tapping the camera I think people ought to know they are representing their company on camera.
I regret the space demonstration thing that was a rush of the blood that I've been trying to avoid this year.
I couldn't give a shoot if she thought cyclists are twats, they probably do already with a lack of anyone contradicting stupid driving around cyclists (even people who teach others to drive) maybe she might think that pulling that kind of manouever around a vulnerable road user is pointless
Boris Bajic
Guest
Interesting to see that opinions differ on this. Nobody's said anything too offensive, although the driver seems not to be a silly bint to me.
I've recently taught my eldest to drive (and will shortly be teaching the middle one). I wouldn't have encouraged this sort of thing from a learner or novice driver, but I am not a professional instructor.
Having said that, I have no major issue with what the driver did. The squeeze-by appears to avail her nothing, but there is space and the traffic speed is slow-to-zero. Nothing dangerous was done. Nobody was in peril. We cannot make assumptions about what the instructor did or did not say.
I get no sound when I play the footage, but might I suppose that the OP also offered some advice and guidance verbally? (Apologies if I'm guessing wrong).
To me, L-Plates on a car are a sign for me not to feel the need to get too close or offer wisdom. Learners will get things wrong. They are learners.
People getting verbal (which the OP may not have) with learner drivers brings to mind the gaggle of mothers at an Under-9 footie match shouting "Kick it!" "Pass it!" "Shoot!" and "Man on!" all at the same time at a bewildered school child.
And I agree with the poster who said (in irony or otherwise) that it's good to see a novice with some ability to judge width and distance.
I've recently taught my eldest to drive (and will shortly be teaching the middle one). I wouldn't have encouraged this sort of thing from a learner or novice driver, but I am not a professional instructor.
Having said that, I have no major issue with what the driver did. The squeeze-by appears to avail her nothing, but there is space and the traffic speed is slow-to-zero. Nothing dangerous was done. Nobody was in peril. We cannot make assumptions about what the instructor did or did not say.
I get no sound when I play the footage, but might I suppose that the OP also offered some advice and guidance verbally? (Apologies if I'm guessing wrong).
To me, L-Plates on a car are a sign for me not to feel the need to get too close or offer wisdom. Learners will get things wrong. They are learners.
People getting verbal (which the OP may not have) with learner drivers brings to mind the gaggle of mothers at an Under-9 footie match shouting "Kick it!" "Pass it!" "Shoot!" and "Man on!" all at the same time at a bewildered school child.
And I agree with the poster who said (in irony or otherwise) that it's good to see a novice with some ability to judge width and distance.
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
Perhaps the young lady should wave her arms around, pointed at her head a lot, and advised the cyclist against stopping so close the the large vehicle on front that they can't see past it and have compromised their own view as a consequence.
If you're gonna make it your mission to educate other road users you really ought to be in a righteous moral position before doing so.
If you're gonna make it your mission to educate other road users you really ought to be in a righteous moral position before doing so.
addictfreak
Guru
- Location
- Boldon, Tyne and Wear
No real issue for me either, although if I were instructing someone I would have probably advised them to wait. But then again the instructor and his student had a better view of the road than me.
I would have thought that waving your arms around and pointing at your camera was more off putting and maybe a little intimidating as well. But again just my opinion.
I would have thought that waving your arms around and pointing at your camera was more off putting and maybe a little intimidating as well. But again just my opinion.
Mugshot
Cracking a solo.
Why not post the vid with sound?
400bhp
Guru
You've made a large assumption there.
Cycling Dan
Cycle Crazy
Whats the purpose of this video.... all i see is a student getting too egar miss judging the space with no possible harm being done and the cyclist having a fit.
In the words of 400bhp... "non event".... well not strictly true the cyclist made it an event.
In the words of 400bhp... "non event".... well not strictly true the cyclist made it an event.
BimblingBee
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Pot, kettle, black.
