Bus driver jailed

[400bhp]

You know you'll get stick on here for that Mugshot.

When the red mist descends, normal thought process disappears. A really horrible altercation and I hope both have learnt a very valuable lesson.

 

[Mugshot]

I may well 400bhp, we'll see where we end up, I've got broad shoulders

 

[Norm]

I may well 400bhp, we'll see where we end up, I've got broad shoulders

And I've got Big Ears - but I'm hoping that Noddy will pay the ransom at some stage.

 

[MacB]

I may well 400bhp, we'll see where we end up, I've got broad shoulders

Hmmm, when it comes down to it we're talking a risk assessment, most people wouldn't really factor in that a driver may use their vehicle against them. I'm sure the cyclist is darn sorry now and wishes he'd let it all slide, no-one I know would swap a missed opportunity of a rant for a couple of broken bones.

The problem with your point is that we're then effectively saying, don't get too irate with a motorist as they may deliberately drive into you. As if that level of violent response is reasonable to factor in to your thought processes. I know you said you're not excusing the bus driver but I'm afraid that is exactly what that sort of thinking does do, regardless of your intent.

 

[DresdenDoom]

Some dreadful attitudes on the Yahoo comments section.

I think that demonstrates the gulf between cyclists and other road users. As someone who is forced to ride a bike by mere poverty I can only wonder if anyone else here ever drives a car and realises just how much of a nuisance cyclists can be. Not as much of a nuisance as buses of course, not even close, but as soft targets go we're up there with coke cans and pensioners. There is also the simple jealousy provoked by all that red light jumping (what do you mean you don't?? lol) and the occasionally overbearing air of smugness which Lycra will always generate.

 

[Norm]

Hmmm, when it comes down to it we're talking a risk assessment, most people wouldn't really factor in that a driver may use their vehicle against them.
<<snip>>
The problem with your point is that we're then effectively saying, don't get too irate with a motorist as they may deliberately drive into you.

Nope, we're wondering what the cyclist thought was going to happen from his actions.

At the very best, he'd have had a bus filled with hacked off passengers and another bus driver who hates cyclists, which wouldn't have been a good thing anyway.

 

[400bhp]

Hmmm, when it comes down to it we're talking a risk assessment, most people wouldn't really factor in that a driver may use their vehicle against them. I'm sure the cyclist is darn sorry now and wishes he'd let it all slide, no-one I know would swap a missed opportunity of a rant for a couple of broken bones.

The problem with your point is that we're then effectively saying, don't get too irate with a motorist as they may deliberately drive into you. As if that level of violent response is reasonable to factor in to your thought processes. I know you said you're not excusing the bus driver but I'm afraid that is exactly what that sort of thinking does do, regardless of your intent.

Interesting point. Now, some would say (and many do here) that a vehicle is a loaded gun. I don't personally buy that but perhaps those people think it's a reasonable factor to have in a thought process.

 

[Mugshot]

The problem with your point is that we're then effectively saying, don't get too irate with a motorist as they may deliberately drive into you. As if that level of violent response is reasonable to factor in to your thought processes. I know you said you're not excusing the bus driver but I'm afraid that is exactly what that sort of thinking does do, regardless of your intent.

If I understand that highlighted section correctly then what this video demonstrates perfectly is that it is reasonable to factor in that very possibility.
My point is exactly don't get too irate with anybody. I understand how difficult it is to keep your cool in all manner of situations but the moment you lose it then you're at as much risk of acting in a "moment of madness" as the bus driver. I've seen posts on here to the effect of "I'd have punched him straight in the face.", "I'd have got him on the floor and kept on kicking" or "I'd have D-locked him" What happens when our friend with the hammer gets irate? The bus driver lost it and he used the weapon he had at his disposal, I said it was inexcusable, it was, if I D-locked someone over a road incident that would be inexcusable too.
That sort of thinking does not excuse the bus driver, I'm a little confused how you come to that conclusion when my concern was for the safety of the cyclist and for cyclists in general.

 

[MacB]

Maybe you're right and we need to think like that but the point is most of us don't and I'm not convinced it should be encouraged.

Put another way - we all know what the 'red mist' is but how red is it? how many people would get all in the face of someone massively bigger than them, or holding a big knife, or a gun? But people will get irate with a driver even though the 'weapon' in their possession is potentially far more lethal. Because we have a reasonable expectation that it wouldn't be used as a weapon, in fact it wouldn't generally cross someones mind....and to me that is normal.

If you are right and we start to normalise the concept that a vehicle really is a weapon and could be used that way, will we effectively create a reality of the monster of our imagination?

 

[400bhp]

Agree with your synopsis Mac. Guns don't kill people, rappers do.

 

[col]

If I understand that highlighted section correctly then what this video demonstrates perfectly is that it is reasonable to factor in that very possibility.
My point is exactly don't get too irate with anybody. I understand how difficult it is to keep your cool in all manner of situations but the moment you lose it then you're at as much risk of acting in a "moment of madness" as the bus driver. I've seen posts on here to the effect of "I'd have punched him straight in the face.", "I'd have got him on the floor and kept on kicking" or "I'd have D-locked him" What happens when our friend with the hammer gets irate? The bus driver lost it and he used the weapon he had at his disposal, I said it was inexcusable, it was, if I D-locked someone over a road incident that would be inexcusable too.
That sort of thinking does not excuse the bus driver, I'm a little confused how you come to that conclusion when my concern was for the safety of the cyclist and for cyclists in general.

I have mentioned this in the passed, but you get called a moton ect for trying to point out how badly someone will get hurt eventually. This vid shows all too well what a possible outcome could be. But you/we are still wrong in being carefull about what we say or do to others on the road.

 

[Mugshot]

Maybe you're right and we need to think like that but the point is most of us don't and I'm not convinced it should be encouraged.

Put another way - we all know what the 'red mist' is but how red is it? how many people would get all in the face of someone massively bigger than them, or holding a big knife, or a gun? But people will get irate with a driver even though the 'weapon' in their possession is potentially far more lethal. Because we have a reasonable expectation that it wouldn't be used as a weapon, in fact it wouldn't generally cross someones mind....and to me that is normal.

If you are right and we start to normalise the concept that a vehicle really is a weapon and could be used that way, will we effectively create a reality of the monster of our imagination?

I'm not suggesting that the concept should be normalised, that would be a sad day if that were ever true. I am however suggesting that if you shove your face into someone elses then they may not react in what people in polite society would consider a reasonable manner. As Norm said, it's a case of considering the consequences. My take on it is that the more extreme my reaction to a situation may be, the more extreme the consequences of my reactions may be.
As I said previously, that doesn't mean I believe that we do nothing, I don't believe we lie down and accept close passes or abuse or what ever else is thrown at us (sometimes literally) but I do think that if you get to the stage where you've leant your bike against the front of a bus to have a go at the driver then maybe you've gone a little far, and you may be well advised to stand on the pavement for a couple of minutes to cool down.

 

[Manonabike]

There are number-plates on all vehicles, and when one of them drives around like a lunatic no-one starts ranting about all drivers being the same. Neither does having a number-plate stop drivers breaking the law, yet people want plates on bikes as they think this will stop law-breaking cyclists.

What we need is proper enforcement of the law for every road user, regardless of their choice of transport. We already have the means to deal with those who transgress, and we still can't do so. Adding plates to bikes isn't going to make any difference.

I don't understand your argument at all. I don't think that number plates would stop bad cyclist but I do think it would give a chance for people to report dangerous cyclist. Twice I have reported dangerous drivers to the police and both times I got a call back to ask for further details.

Well, I sure like to know how to report a bad cyclist. Last summer I saw a cyclist riding dangerously around people and all people could do was to turn round and shout - I thought, if he had a number plate I could try to catch up to him to read it. I reported the incident to the first policeman I saw but it was a very difficult task to give details of the bike and the rider...... it was obvious that from the look on the policeman face, my description could fit 10 cyclists.

I can't say that having a number plate stops people driving dangerously, I never occurred to me that people would see the purpose of a number plate as something to make us drive safely..... my point is that when somebody does commit an dangerous offence one has a chance to report the incident and the number plate is the very thing that will identify the vehicle in question.

 

[400bhp]

The vehicle, not the driver.

 

[Francesca]

Cannot believe that the bus driver did this ! absolutely disgusting!!should be banned from driving for life the f++++g retard.