Buying a cheap car

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Crankarm

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ouch and a bit more

We had to pay £1400 for my daughter's first car which we were totally expecting

I worked and saved up my own cash to buy my first car. My parents didn't or couldn't afford to give me a car fully insured. I cycled until I could afford to buy one which has been the pattern throughout my life with cars. Only buy what you can afford and choose wisely. I have only bought one lemon and that was a Fiat. Fix It Again Tomorrow.
 

Crankarm

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While I admire your pluck Mr Accy, they're not a good buy used. I got lucky and shopped around for a while and found one with only 40k miles that had just had a full engine rebuild at a Mercedes dealer. The owner had clearly had enough, and were cutting their losses. I spent 2 and a half hours going over it, pulling up carpers, pulling off panels, jacking it in the air, checking steering and bushes for play, even compression testing it before I was happy. Having got a good one they require specialist TLC to keep them going - not a problem for me doing it myself, trained as I am by my Dad as a vehicle (wheeled and winged) engineer from about age 4, but for most folk that means either a Smart specialist (not many about) or Mercedes dealers (loads about, but very expensive). So, while I love them I would warn people off them as a used buy unless they're really, really, utterly sure what they're getting into. They do get maligned for safety, but in 2004 when mine was made NCAP tested 15 SUV's in the same year - the Smart recorded better rollover protection than 14 of them, and a higher score overall as standard than all 15 (although spec'd with optional extra safety systems some of the SUV's scored higher), so don't be put off on that score over another car of a similar age. No, it's generally caring for them that requires attention and undermines them as a sensible used buy.

The later Mercedes type W451 model from late 2007 to 2014 is mechanically more conventional and uses a Mitsubishi motor, so is a more affordable proposition as any halfway decent cro-magnon man or woman with a spanner can care for them . Avoid the MHD at all costs - I can not stress enough how strenuously the MHD should not be considered. The turbo versions are OK, but why buy into extra complexity and expense? Avoid the diesel, it's the same diesel as the previous generation but with the added (un)benefit of a DPF and they're nasty, very prone to problems. If you're on a budget, do most of your journeys solo, want minimal running costs, and the ability to park in the slightest hint of a gap then the 1.0 non-MHD W451 is the one.

The current generation W454 is great, but still expensive new, costing from 15 to 29k! Used prices are reasonable though, but still not exactly in budget car territory.

Of course, many youngsters will turn their nose up at them. However, for young men at least there is a major upside to Smart car ownership - it gets female attention wherever it goes, particularly mine being the cabriolet. I don't think I've visited a petrol station yet without some young filly coming over and chatting about the car. Now, I'm a happily married near-50 but a canny 18 year old male, denim shirt slashed open to the waist, medallion shining brightly, will capitalise on the female attention. "You like my little Smart car, eh? Fancy coming for a spin?", and then winking playfully at them.

You are dreaming. Wake up.
 

Crankarm

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Nr Cambridge
Any Fiat from the early 1990s onwards won't rust and mechanically they were always pretty durable.

Mechanically yes, but rust no. Mine a 2001 Bravo rusted, rusted badly the front subframe and underneath all the floor only after about 6 years old. I bought it at just after 3 years old and around 40k miles. It cost me about £4.5k. With hindsight the worst car purchase I have made. After about 2.5 years of ownership the problems started. I gave it 2 years at this point. It didn't even make it to the end of that year. While I was manoeuvring the car to get near a fuel pump at the local fuel station, there was a tremendous bang from the engine compartment. After an inspection I found the power steering rack and cracked and spewed steering fluid all over the engine and garage forecourt. Luckily it was only about 1/2 mile from home so was able to drive it home. The exhaust disintegrated. The brake pipes corroded. It chewed front brake discs and pads. These all cost about £650 to replace. The headlights were appalling, like candles. The wipers moved at glacial pace and screeched. Changed the blades numerous times with little improvement. The driving position was dreadfully uncomfortable, typically Italian, pedals too close and off set, steering wheel too far away. Need I go on?

So when I decided enough was enough I looked around for a cheap run around. I kept seeing old Peugeot 106s in pretty good condition, little or no rust on them and going for next to nothing second hand, so I looked for one and got lucky on Ebay finding a mint, lowish mileage one, 1999, 31k, very clean almost new inside, service history and MOTs all check out, £600. Yes Ebay, the land of crooks and fraudsters. That was almost 4 years ago now and mileage is now 65,500. Very cheap to run, insure and service. No rust. Parts are really cheap, not that it has needed anything except usual consumables oil, filters, brake discs, pads and shoes. Peugeot seem to know what they are doing with regard to rust proofing. OK it's basic and a bit small, can just get my bike in the back with the front wheel removed with the rear seats down, but it's comfortable and does the job. Great headlights. Fun to drive as well. Will last a few more years yet. Have been looking at getting some thing bigger like a Berlingo Multispace or Partner Teepee so I can get bikes in with ease. Not interested in fast flash cars. Waste of money. Would rather spend on bicycles or motor bikes.
 
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Crankarm

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I've got it down to £1805 now with a bit more research. I thought being 23 rather than 17 would help - but clearly not enough to offset living in central Manchester.

Try adding yourself as a named driver to the policy which used to be something you could do to get the premium down. Don't know if it still works or insurers have got wise to it and no longer allow it. I know you can't take a policy out in your name and then put your son on as a named driver only for him to have sole use of the car. I think insurers take a dim view of that and call it "fencing".
 

Crankarm

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People say that but we've had at least 6 of them maybe even 8 & never had a problem with any of them other than the usual tyres, brakes, exhaust like any car

Surely you must have had a problem with them to have had 6-8 of them! Crikey, that's a lot of cars, unless you were running a car hire firm? I wouldn't touch a Fiat now even if it was given to me. I would politely decline, no thanks.
 
Surely you must have had a problem with them to have had 6-8 of them! Crikey, that's a lot of cars, unless you were running a car hire firm? I wouldn't touch a Fiat now even if it was given to me. I would politely decline, no thanks.
I know a few people with Fiats (Two main dealers locally) and they've been pleased enough to make repeat purchases. I had a few years of using a pool Sciento regularly and it was a very reliable little car and rust free despite never being cleaned. You can't write off a manufacturer on the basis of one duff vehicle, even Rolls Royce churn out the odd tea break special from time to time.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
Surely you must have had a problem with them to have had 6-8 of them! Crikey, that's a lot of cars, unless you were running a car hire firm? I wouldn't touch a Fiat now even if it was given to me. I would politely decline, no thanks.

He was running them simultaneously. It's an old Fiat owners trick, so the driver can be reasonably assured that on any given day at least one is liable to start.
 
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Deleted member 26715

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Surely you must have had a problem with them to have had 6-8 of them!
Nope, nothing special that I wouldn't expect from any car. First was a Super Mirafiori 131 which somebody gave me for doing a job for them, 1600 twin cam engine which could run rings around any Ford or Vauxhall of the day. Then I bought a 1000cc Panda to teach the wife to drive on. Followed by a Panda 4x4 once shed passed her test, also an Uno I got for the mother in law. Then I think we had a break whilst the kids grew up as they both get to 17 we bought each as they got there a Cinquento as it was the best way to teach them get them behind the wheel although both had been driving since they were 12. At some point we also had a 20V Coupe Turbo very quick car that could upset Scooby's, seem to also remember son having a 2nd Cinquento at some point as well.

At one point I was a serial car owner from the age of 17 to 21 I had 64 cars & 48 motorbikes, I've now forgotten how many I've had but have slowed down remarkably in the last 20 years. But even now I will still go out & buy a car I've never owned put a bit of time in then sell on.
 

screenman

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Surely you must have had a problem with them to have had 6-8 of them! Crikey, that's a lot of cars, unless you were running a car hire firm? I wouldn't touch a Fiat now even if it was given to me. I would politely decline, no thanks.

I have owned over a thousand of them, not had too many problems when compared with many other cars, warranty issues were quite small.
 

Levo-Lon

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I have owned over a thousand of them, not had too many problems when compared with many other cars, warranty issues were quite small.


Your supposed to sell the bloody things man!!! Not keep em:laugh:


I like fiats, good fun cars and the vans are ok if you look after them
 

Levo-Lon

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Nope, nothing special that I wouldn't expect from any car. First was a Super Mirafiori 131 which somebody gave me for doing a job for them, 1600 twin cam engine which could run rings around any Ford or Vauxhall of the day. Then I bought a 1000cc Panda to teach the wife to drive on. Followed by a Panda 4x4 once shed passed her test, also an Uno I got for the mother in law. Then I think we had a break whilst the kids grew up as they both get to 17 we bought each as they got there a Cinquento as it was the best way to teach them get them behind the wheel although both had been driving since they were 12. At some point we also had a 20V Coupe Turbo very quick car that could upset Scooby's, seem to also remember son having a 2nd Cinquento at some point as well.

At one point I was a serial car owner from the age of 17 to 21 I had 64 cars & 48 motorbikes, I've now forgotten how many I've had but have slowed down remarkably in the last 20 years. But even now I will still go out & buy a car I've never owned put a bit of time in then sell on.


I loved my super mirafiori, mine was a bit shot at the doors but she was a great drive.

I've had 43 bikes and maybe 25 cars..
I liked buying and selling after doing some work and owning for a while.
Bikes were my thing,cars....mm ok I spose
 

screenman

Squire
Your supposed to sell the bloody things man!!! Not keep em:laugh:


I like fiats, good fun cars and the vans are ok if you look after them

Well I did own then between buying and selling them. I look back fondly on so many nice cars, 126, 127, 128, 131, 132, Regatta, Strada, Argenta and many more.
 
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Deleted member 26715

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I loved my super mirafiori, mine was a bit shot at the doors but she was a great drive.
I can't remember the year something is saying it was a '76 on a P plate but not 100% sure we had it in '85 I think & it was a rust bucket. Took it for it's MOT & the tester came over & said do you seriously want me to test this, I asked why, he had me put my feet either side of the front wheel I could then look down through the inner wing & see my boots :laugh::laugh::laugh: I did wonder why when I jacked it up the bonnet moved.
 
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