Cable change with internal routing

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Custom24

Über Member
Location
Oxfordshire
Hi
I have a Whyte Suffolk, and I need to change the cables. It has Shimano 105 and internally routed cables in the down tube. I have already changed the inner cables a couple of times, and as far as I can tell, there are outer cables in the down tube. Has anyone done this job, and have any tips for how to do it?
Thanks, Mark
 

DRHysted

Guru
Location
New Forest
I use the park tools internal cable kit, IR01 I think. Absolute god send.
 

Kestevan

Last of the Summer Winos
Location
Holmfirth.
As long as you only change one at once (inner OR outer) it should be relatively simple. Put the new inner through the outer, then pull the outer through the frame. Feed the new outer onto the inner, and push back up keeping some tension on the inner to guide the outer through the slots.

If you've pulled both inner and outer cables from the frame, then it gets much more difficult......
 

Cubist

Still wavin'
Location
Ovver 'thill
If it has inner sleeves, then no worries, the inner will feed through anyway. If it doesn't have inner sleeves, you can make a ghetto inner sleeve by stripping the plastic and reinforcing strands from a length of outer cable, leaving you the polymer lining as a guide. Keeping the old inner in place, slide the inner sleeve up the old inner cable and once it's out of the top tape it in place, before removing the old inner cable. Tip: Cut the old inner cable above the mech clamp bolt to give you a clean, non-frayed end. Now you can remove all the old inner and outers, replace as normal, feeding the new inner in from the top. Slide off the ghetto sleeve and keep in your spares box.
 

Kbrook

Guru
If it has inner sleeves, then no worries, the inner will feed through anyway. If it doesn't have inner sleeves, you can make a ghetto inner sleeve by stripping the plastic and reinforcing strands from a length of outer cable, leaving you the polymer lining as a guide. Keeping the old inner in place, slide the inner sleeve up the old inner cable and once it's out of the top tape it in place, before removing the old inner cable. Tip: Cut the old inner cable above the mech clamp bolt to give you a clean, non-frayed end. Now you can remove all the old inner and outers, replace as normal, feeding the new inner in from the top. Slide off the ghetto sleeve and keep in your spares box.
Hi thanks for the tip. Why do you have to strip the outer cable to use as a guide, why can't you just use it as it is?
 
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Custom24

Custom24

Über Member
Location
Oxfordshire
Thanks guys.
I guess my questions is more two questions

1. Does the internally routed down tube on my Suffolk contain normal outers, same as the rest of the cable? (I am guessing the answer is almost certainly yes)

2. I need/want to replace everything - inners and outers. I think I should replace the inner first, using the existing outer in the down tube as a guide. Then I can replace the outer, using the new inner as a guide. The other way round would also work. However, this method, the new stuff will be "contaminated" by contact with the old stuff (potentially dirty, etc). Should I just not worry about that? Or maybe wipe down the old inner with solvent to clean it before using it as a guide?

Thanks
Mark
 

Cubist

Still wavin'
Location
Ovver 'thill
Internal cabling varies. Some systems use a thin plastic inner sheath installed in the tubing which guides the inner cables through the tube between the entry and exit points. If this is installed and left in place then the inner cable can simply be fed through with no worries. Some bikes come with installing tubes in place, which can be used to guide the cable through, then removed. This is great until you want to renew the cables, as without them it's very hit and miss to install the new ones, if not impossible. This is where the ghetto sheath I described above comes in handy. It slides up the old inner cable inside the frame, and sticks out at the entry and exit points.

There are methods involving tying a strand of cotton or dental floss onto the new inner, and using a vacuum cleaner to draw it through the frame, then using it to lead the new inner through. Very fiddly, but great as an emergency.

My Cube frame has guided channels for the gear inners, and I assumed the same for the brake cable along the top tube. I discovered to my cost that it isn't guided, so when I took the old cable out it was impossible to feed the new cable in through the entrance and out of the exit. Fortunately I discovered you can remove the exit guide and reach in with a hooked pick to remove the end of the cable before sliding the guide back on and snapping it back into place.

My Canyon MTB frame has no guides, but the cables sort of nearly always exit at the BB. The easiest way to do it is to mount the frame in a stand, ensuring the downtube is vertical, crouch under the bike, find a torch, make sure I'm looking through the right part of my varifocals, avoiding glare from the window or workshop lights and spend ten or so minutes scrabbling about with a hooked pick whilst swearing profusely.

Don't worry about contamination, a wipe with a dry rag will get rid of any dust or debris. Don't use any solvent. Many inners come with either a polymer coating, or a PTFE coating, both of which will be knackered by using a solvent.
 

Cubist

Still wavin'
Location
Ovver 'thill
Hi thanks for the tip. Why do you have to strip the outer cable to use as a guide, why can't you just use it as it is?
Because the entry and exit guides are designed for a 1.2mm to 1.5mm cable to slip through. Ordinary cable ( 4mm or 5mm) outer won't fit.

To clarify, you slip the guide sheath up over the inner cable while it is still inside the frame, then remove the inner, leaving the guide sheath in place inside the frame. Feed the new inner in from the top so that it is guided through the entry and exit ports, then remove the ghetto sheath and fit the lower run of outer. (The top run of outer should already be done)
 

lpretro1

Guest
On some bikes you may have to remove the bottom bracket to get access to route the cables or there may be an access port under the bottom bracket. All depends on make/model
 
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Custom24

Custom24

Über Member
Location
Oxfordshire
Just to follow up. It was full outers in the frame. Although thankfully bottom bracket removal wasn't needed, the job was a pita. The seals where the cables go into and out of the frame are difficult to remove and reinstall
Hopefully a while before I need to do it again.
 

DRHysted

Guru
Location
New Forest
1st time I did mine it was pure luck I managed it. This time I got the Park Tools internal routing kit and replaced all the cables without any problems.
 
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