Camera test ride - two small incidents with blind motorists

[Mycroft]

What are you on about? If you're referring to the end of the video, then no signalling might be correct riding. If there are no road users around, then you're not supposed to signal.

Besides which, how does not signalling come even close to not giving way as the two drivers did?

So if there is no-one to see it, was an offence committed? big question, but we see that a number of trees fell.

in the video the text says "good job i was cautious" but isn't that also part of road use, caution? plus points for that, but then why complain about having to be cautious? thats like the motorists old complaint "I was forced to (do some dangerous driving)" no-one forced this cyclist to move into the middle of the road with the zig zags, unless he didn't have brakes, in which case....

 

[achappers]

I think I've opened a can of worms here......and I never overtook on the zigzags, was simply trying to show the motorist that I was there.

 

[downfader]

So if there is no-one to see it, was an offence committed? big question, but we see that a number of trees fell.

in the video the text says "good job i was cautious" but isn't that also part of road use, caution? plus points for that, but then why complain about having to be cautious? thats like the motorists old complaint "I was forced to (do some dangerous driving)" no-one forced this cyclist to move into the middle of the road with the zig zags, unless he didn't have brakes, in which case....

I think you're misreading a situation. No one was waiting behind or at the junction, whilst it was not best practise no danger was presented on the part of Chappers.

The driver however always presents a danger by pulling out, even if there is space enough to brake in normal circumstances. That is the nature of a vehicle pulling out.

I think you're being a bit silly, Mycroft.

 

[downfader]

I think I've opened a can of worms here......and I never overtook on the zigzags, was simply trying to show the motorist that I was there.

Not really, you've done exactly what I have done by positioning yourself in their mirror. Sometimes you get a wave of apology as a result.

 

[Alien8]

Both incidents looked pretty routine to me - car drivers will always try to get away before something slow-moving gets in front of them. In fact making good progress is taught as part of advanced driving.

Making good progress at the expense of other road users having to brake or deviate from their course?

Perhaps the alternative interpretation is hey, it's only a cyclist, I can ignore the Give way to traffic on major road markings and pull-out.

Yes, an everyday occurrence, but the car driver is still an idiot.

 

[thomas]

So if there is no-one to see it, was an offence committed? big question, but we see that a number of trees fell.

Are you on about signalling? Are you really arguing that if there is no one there you should still signal? Who for? Fairies and wild animals?

Signalling is for the benefit of other road users. If you are signalling when no one is there is suggests that you are not paying attention and during the mirror stage of M/S/M you haven't actually checked properly.

I still maintain, from what I could make out in the video, that the first car at the roundabout possibly went because the cyclists stopped...took advantage of the situation, but I've done that plenty of times to other drivers. Possibility the driver should of had more patience with a cycle, that might be seen as a bit hypocritical though.

It's like when on MINI roundabouts there is someone to everyones right. I'll generally just push out first...taking advantage of my vulnerability in a way.

 

[Alien8]

Are you on about signalling? Are you really arguing that if there is no one there you should still signal? Who for? Fairies and wild animals?

For the CCTV - before the government slaps a victims levy on you.

 

[BentMikey]

So if there is no-one to see it, was an offence committed? big question, but we see that a number of trees fell.

I think you misunderstand - there's no offence for not signalling. Not signalling is best cycling practice when there are no other road users who would be helped by this. We can't see behind the rider for other vehicles, admittedly, but it seems likely there aren't any. There are none in view of the camera.

in the video the text says "good job i was cautious" but isn't that also part of road use, caution? plus points for that, but then why complain about having to be cautious? thats like the motorists old complaint "I was forced to (do some dangerous driving)" no-one forced this cyclist to move into the middle of the road with the zig zags, unless he didn't have brakes, in which case....

Well, braking in that situation would have been an option, but equally moving out to the middle of the road was good riding. Occasionally drivers panic after pulling out on another road user, and brake. In that situation I wouldn't want to be outbraked by the car and leave myself with nowhere to go. In fairness to achappers, he didn't actually overtake.

I'm still not seeing the problem - you're doing the typical car driver thing, and ignoring major mistakes that bring real danger from the two drivers, whilst focusing on the cyclist. It's the sort of ignorance I'd expect from boy racer clowns on youtube, not a cyclist on a cycling forum. That scores a D- for you.

 

[hackbike 666]

Motorists don't always signal anyway.I had one the other day at High Holborn cut across three lanes from the right hand turn lane to do a left turn in front of me.

Notice how I actually knew his original position and where he came from.

 

[downfader]

Motorists don't always signal anyway.I had one the other day at High Holborn cut across three lanes from the right hand turn lane to do a left turn in front of me.

Notice how I actually knew his original position and where he came from.

Have seen a lot of similar moves by drivers here too. Indication by drivers where it is needed or important for traffic flow can annoy other drivers just as much as be dangerous - taking drivers who exit RABs without indicating - a whole line of traffic to the guy's left could have entered. I see this scenario a lot

 

[thomas]

Have seen a lot of similar moves by drivers here too. Indication by drivers where it is needed or important for traffic flow can annoy other drivers just as much as be dangerous - taking drivers who exit RABs without indicating - a whole line of traffic to the guy's left could have entered. I see this scenario a lot

That pisses me off no end, especially when I have some momentum!! It's annoying in the car too, but not as much as putting your foot down doesn't take the same sort of energy

 

[hackbike 666]

It was a 4x4 as well.Sort of like a tank on wheels.

 

[tdr1nka]

OT, sorry.
I got a Muvi style DV Camera for Crimbo, can anyone recommend a freeware editing tool so I can add text etc?

 

[thomas]

OT, sorry.
I got a Muvi style DV Camera for Crimbo, can anyone recommend a freeware editing tool so I can add text etc?

movie maker?

 

[downfader]

OT, sorry.
I got a Muvi style DV Camera for Crimbo, can anyone recommend a freeware editing tool so I can add text etc?

Yeah as Thomas says, if its a compatable movie format just use windows movie maker. If not plenty of good bits of software about, you could use a convertor and then import it into WMM as I used to.

It was a 4x4 as well.Sort of like a tank on wheels.

Know what I find odd. I sometimes see proper old Landies about. Driven by saints despite how knackered they look. Yet put someone in an Urban-4x4 and its sometimes "GET OUT OF THE WAY!!" time, LOL!