Discussion in 'Bikes and Buying Advice - What Bike?' started by John the Monkey, 5 Jun 2008.
Cue "This one goes to 11" jokes...
Nigel: "You see, most blokes will be playing at 10. You’re on 10, all the way up, all the way up...Where can you go from there? Nowhere. What we do, is if we need that extra push over the cliff...Eleven. One louder."
DiBergi: "Why don’t you just make 10 louder and make 10 be the top number, and make that a little louder?"
Nigel (after taking a moment to let this sink in): "These go to 11."
Your "eleven more than necessary" signature seems very apposite John!
You must have heard the Henri Desgrange quote about variable gears too...
"I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five.
Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by
the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...
As for me, give me a fixed gear!"
I read this in the comic today. Bloody ridiculous. I once read Shimano thought 10 was too many - they only went 10 speed due to market pressure what with campag going 10. I can't see why anyone (except the pros and Merckx managed with 5) would need 11. Whenever I change my cassette it's always the middle 4 that are worn - the others get use but rarely. I think and 8 speed 13-23/25 would be sufficient for most people. They would also last a fair bit longer and you wouldn't be replacing your chain as often either.
it's a bit too much marketing over engineering. there's not much noticable difference between the ratios on my 8 and 9 speed bikes, so i can't imagine that going from 10 to 11 is going to produce any tangible benefits.
Depends where you live. I have ten speed, like to keep the ratios fairly close and there are many times when I wish I had something smaller on the way up a long climb and a few inches higher on the way down.
If it works, why not? You don't have to buy it.
You will have to buy it. In 5 years time Campag will have put all their groupsets at 11, Shimano's top 3 groupsets will be too. So when I want to upgrade my bike it'll be an 11speed cassette for me. Just as now it makes little sense, if you can afford it, to buy anything other than 10 speed (simply because it's the most readily available) so in a few years time itwill only make sense to buy 11 speed.
but 11 is just 9 between the largest and smallest instead of 8, so e.g. a 25-13 block will have the same top and bottom gear regardless of how many intermediate gears there are.
Yeah, but a 13/27 would be just dandy. And I'll fit a 12 when they go up one more
campag do up to 29
I'm still hanging on to seven speed, just about. (I think my Galaxy is now up to eight.) Still more than I need, most of the time.
How many razor blades are we up to now?
When I bought my audax bike a few years back, I was advised to get the new 10sp partly because spares for a 9sp would be difficult to get. I'd bought a couple of 8sp XT cassettes before then for my tourer for the same reason (and they were cheap at Chain Reaction). Glad I did... you can still get them but they're not cheap.
It will be intresting to see if this stuff appears at any of the big races.
Whats happened to the electronically controlled system Campag were testing?
I raise your 7 speed with my 6 speed
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