Cars on RH bends

[Mo1959]

Never sacrifice safety for position. Road craft 101.
And if you really want to feel what a good safe quick drive feels like get in the jump seat with advanced Police instructor, it's pretty impressive, especially the observation.

Ditto that. I did my advanced shortly after passing my normal test. Luckily my instructor was ex-police, retired due to injury. He put me in touch with a police instructor and he did a demo drive to let me see what it was all about. Mighty impressive. Everything just feels so safe and controlled.

I had an MG Midget at the time. I used to laugh at him trying to get himself in and out of the car.

 

[Saluki]

I come across a lot of drivers cutting the corner when out cycling. I remonstrated with one, I was polite and said that I fervently hoped that he would do that and come face to face with an artic before he kills some cyclist or motorcyclist. Chap was not amused. He said that cyclists weren't worth driving properly for I took a pic of his reg number and told the police (who did nothing but it put the shoots up the car driver when I whipped out my phone and called the non emergency line)

 

[mcshroom]

Round here the terms are often interchangeable

 

[Pale Rider]

I'm an ex Class 1 driver, what professional knowledge of such things do you have?

I was involved in a court case which involved a long - and ultimately boring - discussion about the contents of the Cleveland Police driving manual.

However, one phrase from it stuck with me, and it's one which I think every driver should abide by.

"Drive to arrive".

 

[Milkfloat]

[QUOTE 3901221, member: 9609"]the full width of the road or the full width of your lane ? I did a police drivers course (or at least some driver training with the police) and they seemed very keen on not cutting corners and observing good lane discipline. certainly on a LH bend you would keep as far right as possible in your own lane but would not be putting your offside wheels over the centre line (broken or solid).[/QUOTE]

Road, but only where appropriate, obviously if you cannot see what is coming around the corner then it is not appropriate, nor is crossing a solid line. A corner deserving of a solid line would likely be inappropriate despite the absence of a solid line.

 

[snorri]

There aren't many white lines left on the local roads in my area, mostly worn away, and that goes for Give Way markings too.

 

[Dan B]

And if you really want to feel what a good safe quick drive feels like get in the jump seat with advanced Police instructor, it's pretty impressive, especially the observation.

It's a good idea to ask them first though

 

[albion]

Think positive. It is the more rigid drivers who refuse to even edge the middle line when overtaking that scare me shitless.

 

[Dan B]

The counter to indicating at every junction regardless is that if you put indicators on automatically then what else are you doing at junctions without thinking?

But the opposite of "signal unthinkingly" isn't "signal sometimes", it's "signal thinkingly". You might be in a left turn only lane, but does the OAP who wants to cross the road you're turning into know that? The OAP who you can't see became they're standing behind the traffic light pole?

 

[Vapin' Joe]

But the opposite of "signal unthinkingly" isn't "signal sometimes", it's "signal thinkingly". You might be in a left turn only lane, but does the OAP who wants to cross the road you're turning into know that? The OAP who you can't see became they're standing behind the traffic light pole?

When you notice the OAP (Which you should) then you decide that in this case a signal is necessary and use one. As for crossing the white line, I straighten bends regularly PROVIDED I can see far enough ahead to be certain it is safe and there is no-one following me who is in any position to overtake.

 

[Dan B]

When you notice the OAP (Which you should) then you decide that in this case a signal is necessary and use one.

That seems to be at odds with what was previously suggested, which was that you needn't signal left in a left turn only lane.

 

[Milkfloat]

[QUOTE 3901332, member: 9609"]So in the following google streetview link (lets ignore the approaching bus, and in reality you can see further round the bend than the google image shows) Would an advanced driving course allow you to straddle or even completely cross the white lines on the approach to this left hander? Certainly in my "White Van Man" days where my speed was often fairly progressive, I would be well to the right here . However the police driving instructor who was advising on how to drive an emergency vehicle quickly and safely was telling us we should not be crossing the white line and stay within our lane, on a wider road than this he would have us on the right hand side of our lane but never to cross or straddle the line. I was never sure whether this advise was a police thing rather than advanced driver thing, and all to do with 'public perception' and how the 'racing line' just does not gave the right image.[/QUOTE]

In this case I would use the full width of the road if my speed was fast enough that if I did not use the full width I would have to brake (ignoring the bus).

 

[Vapin' Joe]

That seems to be at odds with what was previously suggested, which was that you needn't signal left in a left turn only lane.

You signal where it is necessary for the safety of yourself and everyone else. Sticking rigidly to "The System" because that's what the book tells you to do is neither advanced driving or advanced thinking.

 

[Dan B]

You signal where it is necessary for the safety of yourself and everyone else. Sticking rigidly to "The System" because that's what the book tells you to do is neither advanced driving or advanced thinking.

And this is the problem with the whole schtick: most people who mix and match from the "fun" bits of advanced driving that they've read on the Internet are barely capable of "adequate thinking" let alone "advanced thinking"

 

[Milkfloat]

[QUOTE 3901550, member: 9609"]fair enough and that is how I used to drive a white van - but what I was trying to establish was, would that be the advise given in an advanced drivers course?[/QUOTE]

That was the method given to me by a group of ex-police and ex-army driving instructors who were running my course. The thinking is that it is safer to smooth out the corner rather than brake or take excessive speed through the corner. Obviously this requires specific road conditions, around near me most of the bends have hedges so you don't have the visibility required. Back to the OPs example, because of the presence of a cyclist, I would not smooth the corner even with perfect visability.