CCTV of gunman shooting cyclist with BB?

[classic33]

Thankfullly that gun looks like a 6mm bb gun which can only fire plastic pellets (still hurt, think of bruising from paint balls) metal pellets are produced for air rifles but are 5.4mm (can't remember if that works out at .177 or .22)

the way he's holding it is not how you would hold a real gun, he's ready to pull back the spring (top half of the gun) for another shot, appears to also be plastic.

but why has he got it in the car? when they are sold they are (should be) tied into two plastic bags at a minimum.

all the rules in the world wouldn't stop that bloke getting one as all you need to do is prove you're over 18.

air rifles on the other hand, you just need a passport or driving license

Something along these lines??
http://www.kandytoys...etails_1465.htm

"Good" for about 10 foot, shotwise. £2 or less to buy.

As for paintball,
http://www.toymastershop.co.uk/p-46...kemailflag=3&outofstockemail=&outofstockerror=
Violent Crime Reduction Act covers their sale.

 

[Black Sheep]

Classic 33, looks to be a slightly more powerful one intended for teenage (at the youngest) target practice

Question for those forummers who have access to air rifles of any bore. How would you feel about air rifles coming under the same regulations as other firearms? Discuss.

Total can of worms and utterly irrelevant to this thread as the item in question (the BB gun) is widely available in toy shops, whereas an air rifle is already subject to stringent regulations in terms of retail sale, safe storage and their legitimate usage. As ever, it's not the legislation which is lacking, it's the failure by many properly to enforce it that's at fault.

Air rifles only need a passport or driving license which is photocopied at the point of sale. The shop owner then has to give a short speech about not pointing it at people and use it on private land, wrap the cardboard box it's packaged in into a black bag and job's a good un.

safe storage is "keep it out of reach of children and don't store it with the pellets or loaded"

thats all the legislation I know of despite working in a shop that sells them.

higher powered air rifles may well be subject to tighter regulations.

 

[Cubist]

You're minimising the legislation.

Proof of age required at point of sale.
It must be stored in such a manner as to prevent unlawful access by persons under the age of 18. That's a bit different from "out of the reach of children"
Then usage.
By young people under the age of 18 only on land where the shooter has permission, and supervised by an adult.
Used in such a manner that the projectile doesn't stray over the boundaries.
Regulations as the the carrying of it in public places, being loaded in public places, and then a string of Firearms Act offences relating to unlawful use.

If you work for a retailer who simplifies the obligations to such an extent as you describe then I would question their suitability to sell them.

As I said, the legislation is there. The cod-heads who use them outside of the legislation to maim pets and wildlife, shoot at passing cars and so on have given air rifles a bad image and led to the tightening of restrictions. The people whose responsibility it is to ensure they don't get into the wrong hands are clearly failing in their responsibility if they reduce the advice at point of sale to "not pointing it at people and use it on private land" .
That smacks to me of profiteering over moral responsibility.

Air rifles with a muzzle energy in excess of 12 ft/lb are subject to all the restrictions and legislation pertaining to Section one firearms.

 

[Jezston]

Hello.

I regularly (well, not regularly enough these days!) play Airsoft, which is a game where a bunch of (generally) overweight nerds and teenagers run around in a forest shooting each other with pellet guns - electric-spring powered automatic rifles, gas powered pistols and heavy duty spring powered single shot rifles, amongst other things.

You are only supposed to be able to buy such weapons from accredited retailers, you must be over 18, and unless you are a registered airsoft player (must have joined the uk air rifle assocation and to join that you must be a member of a local accredited club and to join THAT you have to play there at least 3 times over a one year period) you can only buy guns that are painted in two-tone toy-like colours.

Automatic guns are generally resitricted to 330fps, single shot rifles to 500fps - powerful enough to blind you if you aren't wearing goggles, chip a tooth or leave a nasty welt. Not enough to break skin, though.

You are NOT allowed to carry them openly - they are replica firearms and subject to the same rules as any other such device. You are only allowed to take them out of your house if you are travelling to an event. Whenever I go to such an event I keep them in a bag and carry details of the event about my person so I can explain what I am doing with them should I be stopped by the police with a load of guns in my bag! It's also worthwhile contacting your local policestation and informing them of what you've got and getting someone round to have a look, that way you won't get police turning up at your door after someone in the street sees you messing around with guns in your flat and calls 999 ... oops!

None of these rules will stop some dickhead getting hold of one, though. Pawnshops regularly have such items for sale and the police seem to be completely disinterested in stopping them.

 

[Cubist]

Hello.


None of these rules will stop some dickhead getting hold of one, though. Pawnshops regularly have such items for sale and the police seem to be completely disinterested in stopping them.

Which was my original point, as the law is so complicated that no street cop ever seems to understand it.

 

[marinyork]

Which was my original point, as the law is so complicated that no street cop ever seems to understand it.

Then I'd put it to you that you have people who aren't bright enough or keen enough to learn new things working for you in exactly the way you said that you would question the suitability of shops selling them (which I agree with). These are after all people paid large amounts of money...

 

[Cubist]

Then I'd put it to you that you have people who aren't bright enough or keen enough to learn new things working for you in exactly the way you said that you would question the suitability of shops selling them (which I agree with). These are after all people paid large amounts of money...

Something I've been saying for years.
It's all about priorities though.

 

[classic33]

Classic 33, looks to be a slightly more powerful one intended for teenage (at the youngest) target practice




Air rifles only need a passport or driving license which is photocopied at the point of sale. The shop owner then has to give a short speech about not pointing it at people and use it on private land, wrap the cardboard box it's packaged in into a black bag and job's a good un.

safe storage is "keep it out of reach of children and don't store it with the pellets or loaded"

thats all the legislation I know of despite working in a shop that sells them.

higher powered air rifles may well be subject to tighter regulations.

At ten foot the smaller & cheaper of the two is strong enough to leave a mark on the legs through jeans. What would it do on bare skin. Then again what would you do if you had someone pointing one out the window at you, ask them how good it is.

The "water ball" is good for 30 feet, its an alternate to paintballing as only water is used.

Interested on the legislation governing the display & sale of such items. Anyone willing to point me in the direction of what they are using in their arguments?

 

[Tynan]

quite the gangsta

 

[classic33]

quite the gangsta

Not quite. I've seen some stupid things done with "toy guns".
Nerf shotgun, center of Bradford. Drunk egged on by his equally p***** mates, stok one straight into the back of a security guard making a collection from hatch on a security van. Floored by the security guard with the case used for transfering money.

Someone getting ready for their works night out, (fancy dress) went back to work & said its a hold up. Plastic gun in a bag. At the time his place of work was a bank. He was floored by security & staff.

How are these two examples any different from what started this thread. Plastic or otherwise someone got hurt.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

I bumped into this thread earlier this evening.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12781291

 

[As Easy As Riding A Bike]

I bumped into this thread earlier this evening.

http://www.bikeradar....php?t=12781291

Interesting. Explains why the police are plastering this guy's mug around the place. Probably a stolen/shifty car, if the fake plate story is true.

 

[1970DGF]

Hi all

New member here, I post on Bikeradar under Homer J Shooting


Once I get it sorted I'll stick the clip on YouTube. Hopefully they'll catch them.

 

[Tynan]

Not quite. I've seen some stupid things done with "toy guns".
Nerf shotgun, center of Bradford. Drunk egged on by his equally p***** mates, stok one straight into the back of a security guard making a collection from hatch on a security van. Floored by the security guard with the case used for transfering money.

Someone getting ready for their works night out, (fancy dress) went back to work & said its a hold up. Plastic gun in a bag. At the time his place of work was a bank. He was floored by security & staff.

How are these two examples any different from what started this thread. Plastic or otherwise someone got hurt.

You have misunderstood my meaning I think

All I meant was the boke is an idiot, pretending to be some sort of hard man but with a plastic gun, I completely agree that it's idiotic at best and wants dealing with by the police

from that bikeradar thread, I presume that even if your reg is taken, all you have to do is say that it must be a ringer and get some mates to give you an alibi, I'd assume that the sort of blokes that shoot guns from the window, drive recklessly, jump reds and all the rest tend to have mates that would do that

 

[davefb]

You have misunderstood my meaning I think

All I meant was the boke is an idiot, pretending to be some sort of hard man but with a plastic gun, I completely agree that it's idiotic at best and wants dealing with by the police

from that bikeradar thread, I presume that even if your reg is taken, all you have to do is say that it must be a ringer and get some mates to give you an alibi, I'd assume that the sort of blokes that shoot guns from the window, drive recklessly, jump reds and all the rest tend to have mates that would do that

running a risk though.... that just bumps up the charges...

they probably wont spend too much time on it though, unless they get some better cctv showing the driver?