Christies modern art sale

[SteCenturion]

I find many things can be art, normally functional things.

A beautiful guitar I can see, smell, play & hear for example.

A beautiful car or motorcycle I could drive or at least see driven & smell the fumes of it's petroleum burning.

Any grand, artisan built building in Manchester or any other City.

These are just a tiny proportion of what I consider art & to top it off they are all available to view in 3D.

Yes, I love a great painting or photograph & sculptures,the design of oppulent gardens (even though I am not the flowery horticultural type).

A pile of bricks though is a pile of bricks, a $#1THEAP bed is just that & no amount of flannel from some hooray Henry will ever convince me otherwise.

 

[MontyVeda]

Artist creates something. Person wants to pay large sum to buy the creation.

Art is often a good investment, I bet whoever bought it will love having it, get great pleasure from it and potentially sell it for a tidy profit down the line.

Why on earth is that the business of anyone else let alone getting annoyed by it? Or are people not allowed to buy what they want for what they want any more?

it's just one of those things like footballer's wages... the 'man' on the street always has an opinion, and the less interest they have in football or art, the more shouty they get.

That there Saatchi bloke's got the right idea.... the simple fact that he's owned a piece of art will increase its value tenfold... so he'll profit from buying any old cr@p.

 

[MontyVeda]

I find many things can be art, normally functional things.

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Don't they call it 'design' if it has a function???

 

[Archie_tect]

The main problem that comes of being an artist is that your best lifetime's work is personal and private. You don't want to let it go, but sometimes if you don't have a 'proper job' you have to sell what you can to get by.

Most artists don't have marketing agents or managers to promote their work during their lifetimes so it's often only when an artist dies that the treasure trove of their life is 'discovered'. Then, if the work is good and has a commercial value, the hawkers and collectors start to circle and the artist becomes 'fashionable'.... which doesn't benefit the artist or their dependants one scrap Their work then acquires a status and people see the work as an asset- that's what upsets me. Not the work itself.... you either love it or hate it, rarely does it leave you undecided!

 

[MontyVeda]

I wonder what's happening to the current value of original artworks by Rolf Harris?

 

[Markymark]

I think you have a very rose-tinted view of the art world.

Many people and institutions buy art these days not be cause they like it or get pleasure from it (or even believe it has any artistic merit) but simply because they believe that it will increase in value.

I did say that in my bit and the pleasure may well be bragging rights. My main point is that someone wants to buy something form someone at at value they both agree is worth it. Why on earth is that any business of anyone else?

 

[SteCenturion]

I did say that in my bit and the pleasure may well be bragging rights. My main point is that someone wants to buy something form someone at at value they both agree is worth it. Why on earth is that any business of anyone else?

It's about expressing an opinion, something we all have & are all entitled to use.
If none of us had, or expressed opinions, then this forum would not exist & social media would likely be very different also.

 

[SteCenturion]

Don't they call it 'design' if it has a function???

They might MontyVeda.

I am reserving the right to call it what I like, as someone else eluded to earlier, it is my perception/interpretation of what I consider art.

To be fair, I know very little about art, I just know that these pile of bricks/bed/pile of egg boxes 'installation' things are not it.

 

[Archie_tect]

I'm surprised American art collectors are buying in the UK this year with the dollar doing so badly. UK investors will no doubt sell if they can and buy back in a couple of years and make a killing....

 

[MontyVeda]

They might MontyVeda.

I am reserving the right to call it what I like, as someone else eluded to earlier, it is my perception/interpretation of what I consider art.

To be fair, I know very little about art, I just know that these pile of bricks/bed/pile of egg boxes 'installation' things are not it.

As far as I'm aware... 'art' has no function, no purpose other than to be observed and possibly discussed, whilst 'design' has a function, be it a building, LP cover, kitchen utensil or chair. One may reserve the right to call something whatever they like, but that doesn't mean they're right.

 

[Over The Hill]

I wonder what's happening to the current value of original artworks by Rolf Harris?

You would think they will be rather difficult to shift now (which is a bit of a shame as he is actually really good).

But then they say there is no such thing as bad publicity. There seems to be no issue with Roman Polanski films.

 

[SteCenturion]

I wonder what's happening to the current value of original artworks by Rolf Harris?

Dropped through the floor now doubt.

My brother searched for a playable copy of Two Little Boys on vinyl for our Mams 60th as it's the song she most sang to us as nippers.

Bet that's been filed under bin.

 

[SteCenturion]

As far as I'm aware... 'art' has no function, no purpose other than to be observed and possibly discussed, whilst 'design' has a function, be it a building, LP cover, kitchen utensil or chair. One may reserve the right to call something whatever they like, but that doesn't mean they're right.

Very correct MontyVeda.

& also provides evidence that the bed or pile of bricks is not art, as those items have inherent purpose.

In the case of these installations, that purpose has been altered to, aggravating people.

 

[MontyVeda]

Very correct MontyVeda.

& also provides evidence that the bed or pile of bricks is not art, as those items have inherent purpose.

In the case of these installations, that purpose has been altered to, aggravating people.

I quite liked the pile of bricks... but the bricks themselves are not important, it's the space above the bricks that is the 'art', not the actual bricks... this is what eludes most casual observers. As i recall, even the artist was a bit puzzled as to why the buyer wanted the 'actual' bricks he'd used, when any pile of bricks would do... that didn't stop him from cashing the cheque though .

 

[SteCenturion]

I am not understanding this aggravation thing from people who say that something is not art. The fact that it provokes the reaction must tell us something about it.

Do you consider Adrian, that some of these (lets call them works or WHY) are deliberately designed to be incendiary in their provocation of reaction so as to cause the loudest noise possible, therefore becoming infamous quickly & driving up interest & value as a result ?

Or

Something else entirely. ?