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Origamist

Legendary Member
You are discussing the issues, Mags and I've generously given up my time to let you air your multi-faceted grievances! Put simply, you do not have the luxury of free-speech on someone else's YouTube channel.

If you're genuinely put out, email MP and discuss it with him - you have a reasonable point and you may persuade him to retain comments that are unflattering about his riding or that are meant to be helpful.

Porter is a QC who regularly deals with diversionary strategems and has to be adroit at keeping his audience focussed on the key points in question. You of all people should know how discussions around cycle safety get diluted and railroaded by OT remarks.
 

As Easy As Riding A Bike

Well-Known Member
I think honesty and openness, and importantly, the appearance of being so, is very important when posting these videos if you want to be taken seriously.

However the vibe I am getting here is that it is reasonable to stiffle debate if it doesn't fit the youtubers agenda.

You are perceiving correctly. It is not your youtube channel - it is Martin Porter's. It is entirely reasonable for him to delete comments that he considers diversionary from the aims with which he set up his channel.

No one is being silenced - you are writing about the issues here, and you can - if you so wish - write about them on your blog.

So what is better, openness and honesty, or furthering an agenda, which I agree is probably a good one?

The comments from Porter below the video accept that it would have been better to stay behind the vehicle. Is this really about honesty and openness, or about your comments being removed?
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
I delete some of your (all of you!!) comments from my videos :smile:

Mainly those of you that reply to the trolls, i don't mind the fun in replying back to them, hell i do it. But in the long run i don't want them feeding the thoughts of other people.


LOL, I think that was me recently. I'm not fazed, I'm not a prima donna.
 
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magnatom

Guest
There are a few things I want to clear up here.

I have absolutely no problem from a personal perspective with Martin deleting my posts. In fact he didn't just delete mine but two other cyclists post. My issue was not that he did not have the right to do that, my issue was that Martin, being in an excellent position to push for better behaviour on the roads (due to his job and his obvious passion for cycling) was risking it, by appearing to delete all criticism. As I have said countless times in this thread, it has always been my belief that openness, honesty etc are vital if we as cyclists are to be taken seriously. I'm sure Martin is open and honest. However by deleting files it gives off the impression that he is not.

I too post videos and campaign. If I feel that someone is compromising what I personally believe in, then I, as someone who is naturally outspoken feel the need to say something. People can of course take it or leave it. That is why I said that I can't personally support someone who does not appear to be open, as it compromises my own ideals.

So, no, I was not 'hurt' by my comments being deleted, and I am certainly not a 'Prima Donna'.

BM, you are someone who's opinion I respect a great deal. I don't always agree with you, but I respect your views. However, you do have a tendency to come out with one liners like you did here which are way out of order. That was quite simply name calling, which you felt the need to repeat as I did not respond the first time. If you feel I am out of line, say so. Back it up with examples etc. But just posting comments about someone 'acting like a Prima Donna' is name calling, pure and simple.

And origamist, thanks for giving me your time, even if it is given in a mildly condescending manor.


It just so happens that as soon as my comments were deleted that I did ask Martin personally why he had deleted them. At the same time here people started debating it, so I went along with the debate, that is what I do. Perhaps I came across wrong, and people have misunderstood my motives. As I've mentioned above, they are and never have been personal, they are purely out of concern that cyclists are seen to be wanting dialog with other road users and not just wanting to dictate terms. Openness is in my opinion vital to useful dialog.

Martin has since got back to me. Interestingly his reasons for wanting to delete my comments were actually understandable. The Met will be directing the driver to the video and he didn't want debate on his minor infringements muddying the issue for the driver. Fair enough, I didn't realise the driver would be directed there.

However, personally I would have thought it better to disable comments in that situation, or to at the very least set them to be approved. It also would have been nice to have been told why comments were being deleted (by a quick message). That would have kept everyone happy and avoided this whole debate. I will pass these thoughts on to Martin.

Anyway, this is my last post on the matter. If I have time I'll make one more post elsewhere today. I've ran out of energy.
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
Sorry if it came across as name calling, it's really nothing more than my strong disagreement with your point of view. Your posts did come across very "How DARE he delete my posts" to me.
 
Ok. It's not really a "you tube reply" but I've just had a friend request for a Will Drafter Ltd. I know the roads are bad....but....


Or maybe my cycling is pretty bad. (He claims to like cycling) :ohmy:
 

Origamist

Legendary Member
You don't roll with the punches, do you Mags? I could have used a smilie after "generously giving my time", but I thought an exclamation mark would suffice - my bad.

This is sensible:

However, personally I would have thought it better to disable comments in that situation, or to at the very least set them to be approved.

hopefully MP will follow your advice in future.

Will this put an end to "Porter Vs Magnatom" aka YouTube cam-gate?
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
Funnily enough I've just removed a couple of comments about recumbents being invisible on this video:


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLbrU-CVRNk


It's entirely irrelevant to this video, as there's no doubt all the drivers on my side of the road saw me, and moved out to overtake me. It's irritating too as I'm vulnerable to the invisibility comments despite it being entirely wrong, and just as Origamist has posted, it detracts from the message I'm trying to send to the suicidally overtaking driver.

And yes, the hard to see argument is tosh. From experience, I feel utterly invisible when I ride my upright, and far less so on the recumbent. The recumbent is higher than a number of low sports cars, and nobody expects to miss seeing those. My head and taillights are also higher than those on most of the aforementioned sports cars, they are about as high as the lights on many sedans. They're also on all the time, and are blindingly bright.
 

BSRU

A Human Being
Location
Swindon
Had a "cyclist" inform me that all my troubles on the road are caused by me being in primary position all the time, apparently he rides in the gutter to give car drivers as much room as possible so they can overtake.

He took a dislike to a YouTube video about some low standard driving by two private hire drivers, he is somehow connected with private hire driving in Swindon.
He commented how I jumped a red light but I pointed out it was actually amber and my mistake was riding too fast for the conditions, very heavy rain, which prevented me from stopping as I always do when the lights turn amber.
 
I've just had the classic it isn't legal or words to that effect.

From 1967Janey
why are you putting there number plate numbers up invasion of privacy.. like the way you dont identifiy yourself is this legal

They obviously haven't looked at my vids the only plate I put up was one to say a big thankyou to a cool patient driver and none of my other vids contain plate numbers :rolleyes:

Edit looking at their profile they are a friend of Gaz :rolleyes: either that the cheesed off star of one of his vids ;)
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
Oh that fool. I suspect they might be a driver from on of my other videos or have a friend that is in one. They are highly amusing. Will post some of her comments up later when I'm at my pc.
 

downfader

extimus uero philosophus
Location
'ampsheeeer
Oh that fool. I suspect they might be a driver from on of my other videos or have a friend that is in one. They are highly amusing. Will post some of her comments up later when I'm at my pc.


Just read her (I would prefer "it", lmao) comments through her history. Ohh for eugenics... :biggrin:
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
Here's a funny one:

Exactly why one of these drivers you observe hasn't yet mown you down in retailation for your busybodying yet I do not know. Get off your high horse and stop being such a self righteous little twat (or go seek help for your obvious mental issues).

Was posted to my profile, but I removed it. Going to his profile it seems it's the lad I saw on the phone here:


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVtyWcSJpZE


http://www.youtube.com/user/borisallen

Gotta read the comments on his profile, they are very funny!
 
Friend and Subcription are different things, Friend has to be accepted - subscriptions don't.

Trolls will and do subscribe to "us", to make trolling easier.

This is why banning them is best, there is no point allowing "free speech" at the behest of trolls.
 
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