Coronavirus outbreak

[Joey Shabadoo]

For anybody worried about loo roll, here's a top tip from French Renaissance writer and physician Francois Rabelais -

'I have', answered Gargantua, 'by a long and curious experience found out a means to wipe my bum. The most lordly, the most excellent, the most convenient that was ever seen. I have wiped my tail with a hen, with a cock, with a pullet, with a calf's skin, with a hare, with a pigeon, with a cormorant, with an attorney's bag, with a Montero, with a falconer's lure. But to conclude, I say and maintain that of all the torcheculs, arsewisps, bumfodders, tail-napkins, bunghole cleansers, and wipe-breeches, there is none in the world comparable to the neck of a goose, that is well downed, if you hold her head betwixt your legs. And believe me therein upon mine honour, for you will thereby feel in your nockhole a most wonderful pleasure, both in regard of the softness of the said down and of the temporate heat of the goose, which is easily communicated to the bum-gut and the rest of the inwards, in so far as to come even to the regions of the heart and brains.'"

Handy if you run out.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

For anybody worried about loo roll, here's a top tip from French Renaissance writer and physician Francois Rabelais -



Handy if you run out.

So is that what the film Wild Geese is really about?

 

[Duffy]

Trump not having a task force when it had no tasks to deal with isn't much of a criticism.

He has one now, and he's following its advice.

Seems a reasonable response to me.

Too many commentators start with the fixed view that Trump is a nutter, and then scrabble around trying to find evidence to prove it.

Start with a clean sheet and rationally assess his approach to this crisis then a different picture emerges.

Unless you think he shouldn't follow his experts' advice, but other leaders are being congratulated for doing that.

just like having no insurance when your house isn’t actually on fire or flooded is a reasonable response???

Get a grip

 

[MartinQ]

Think if you consider how long each needing intensive care actually need to be cared for, 9,900 turning up each day won't be manageable.

But why do you think 30% of the population need to get infected, when only c100,000 of the 60,000,000 quarantined in Hubei got it (i.e. 0.17%), which represents 0.007% of China's population.

Have you seen Korea's curve below? They look like slowly and surely getting it under control too, probably landing at 10,000 out of a population of 51,000,000 eventually, i.e. 0.02%.


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Really good graph.

 

[Mo1959]

Dog's can't get this unconfirmed report in china lead to this idea. it's not official and confirmed. Official advice say's dogs are ok. He's probably got a general bad stomach that dogs get from time to time. Make sure he's still drinking and try him on something gentle like a bit of cooked chicken and rice or pasta. If he gets worse phone the vet and get some advice. If he's ok today then don't worry too much.

Cats and dogs can get coronavirus, but it's a different strain and has been around for years. Pretty sure there's no chance of any cross contamination other than if someone with the virus manages to get it onto your pet's coat and then you pick it up that way.

 

[Duffy]

So what do you if you think you have it ?

Ring 111 ? - no not anymore !!!!

Check the website for more information !

It also seems the testing will be scaled back (should make the figures look better anyway !!!)

Once it’s in the community and spreading from person to person outwith the initial high risk group (travellers from China, Iran, Italy etc etc) there’s no point in testing everybody with symptoms, as the vast majority of these people will recover normally with no intervention required.
You save your testing for those who actually need it rather than those who just want it.
In other words your testing is clinically driven.

 

[Mugshot]

So is that what the film Wild Geese is really about?

Wild? I'd have thought they'd be farking furious!

 

[marinyork]

Once it’s in the community and spreading from person to person outwith the initial high risk group (travellers from China, Iran, Italy etc etc) there’s no point in testing everybody with symptoms, as the vast majority of these people will recover normally with no intervention required.
You save your testing for those who actually need it rather than those who just want it.
In other words your testing is clinically driven.

There was some stuff yesterday about different and quicker tests being developed. It wasn't clear whether this was on the horizon or speculative. If it's speculative testing will be for those that need it.

 

[Dave7]

Interesting idea where did you get it from?

My own tip, if you haven't got hand gel, is to wash your hands in boiling water. What could go wrong?

Why not leave them to soak overnight

 

[Venod]

 

[Skibird]

Serious thought here. I came home tonight to find my dog had been sick on the carpet. He's also been off his food all day. I heard it mentioned that cats and dogs can contract the virus.

For those who can't get their hands(excuse the pun)on hand gel,try mixing ordinary household bleach about 30% bleach 70% water in a bottle with a spray top.

I hope he's better and if not, been checked out by a vet.

 

[marinyork]

First case in china was 17th of november, reports on records claim https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...november-china-government-records-show-report

 

[randynewmanscat]

The folklore and fisherwives tales are gaining traction on the internet, vitamin C and D in large doses is the latest craze. Its less loony than the QAnon dolts recommending you drink bleach I suppose.

 

[Inertia]

Trump, like us, appears to have two lead experts.

However you cut it, both think the inbound travel ban is a good idea, coupled with other measures being taken internally.

Other experts think the travel ban is not worth doing.

Which makes it another of several areas in which opinions, expert and non-expert, differ on how best to combat the virus.

I thought your point was that people were being harsh on him and that he was simply following expert advice

By enforcing the European travel ban, Trump is following the advice of his experts.

That is a simple matter of fact.

But it appears he made the decision without expert advice and now some experts agree with it, although with the caveat "coupled with other measures being taken internally".

The order is important because even if, without expert advice, he gets some stuff right by shear luck, he may be getting alot wrong.

 

[Mugshot]

Trump, like us, appears to have two lead experts.

However you cut it, both think the inbound travel ban is a good idea, coupled with other measures being taken internally.

I imagine they care about the 'majority view of this forum' as much as I do.

Other experts think the travel ban is not worth doing.

Which makes it another of several areas in which opinions, expert and non-expert, differ on how best to combat the virus.

I assume you're talking about Fauci and Redfield that are mentioned in the article you linked? Are the organisations they work for public ones, are they public servants? If they are, given Trump's penchant for sacking public servants that disagree with him followed by naming them on twitter for his more rabid followers to salivate over, it's perhaps not surprising that they may back him publicly. They may well back him privately too, but I don't think they're automatically as supportive as you're trying to make out.

In saying that, according to your article Fauci said regarding testing;

"The system is not really geared to what we need right now -- what you are asking for. This is a failing. It is a failing. Let’s admit it,...Bottom line, it's going to get worse,"

Also

Robert Kadlec, a senior Health and Human Services official, again referenced the limited supply of respirators in U.S. stockpile, this time giving new numbers on how many respirators, or specialized face masks, are needed...He reiterated that there is a concern of shortages in part because of many of the materials are from overseas.

Yet Trump has held press conferences where he has said that they have millions of test kits, that everyone can get tested, that the US is prepared for the outbreak and has been ordering lots of "elements of medical", and that "everybody we see is getting better."
No scrabbling around for Trump's incompetence is needed, he confirms it every single time he opens his mouth.

Too many commentators start with the fixed view that Trump is a nutter, and then scrabble around trying to find evidence to prove it.

Start with a clean sheet and rationally assess his approach to this crisis then a different picture emerges.