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skudupnorth

Cycling Skoda lover
It does seem a little hasty in the destruction of our air force when it is required more than ever,Nimrod is all but gone and now the Harrier,VC10's are being slowly cut up at Bruntingthorpe (two this year) it is a sad,sad time.I am sure i have read that the Tornado force is also due for trimming which for me seems un-real as i remember them being the new boys on the block and the cause of replacing many,many wonderful aircraft such as Lightning,Phantom,Buccaneer ect
 

Night Train

Maker of Things
I think it really is a daft decision to lose the Harrier. There should have been a proper British replacement but I think we are supposed to make do with American helicopter gunships for the vertical take off and landing ability.

We just don't seem to want to invest in technology of that sort in the UK in the way that we used to. I also think it may be an overall devaluing of the armed forces leading to less investmetn in both money and research and technology.

And, yes, like Concorde and the APT tilting train we will forget how to do it and then buy in the technology from overseas when we need or want it.

As an aside to how little we consider the armed forces and military history, in college today a trainee teacher little quiz on Christmas as a mini teach in my teacher training. One of the questions was: Which country sends a Christmas tree for Trafalgar Square each year?
I shouted out: 'And a bonus if you know the reason why!' Stunned silence and cunfused looks.

At the end of the quiz half the class of trainee teachers got Norway correct so I asked if anyone knew why. They didn't even realise there was a 'why' and none knew the answer.
Shameful.:sad:
 
I've always liked the way a pilot described how difficult carrier landings were thus:
Put a coin in the corner of the room.
Stand on a chair in the opposite corner of the room.
Now dive off the chair and try to hit the coin with your nose.......
 

Tim Bennet.

Entirely Average Member
Location
S of Kendal
It's not a gift from Norway, it's a gift from the City of Oslo.
And the reasons are far more complex than the official 'thank you' that is quoted.

After WW2, Norway was a very divided country. Although the King and Government had moved to the UK, huge numbers (15,000+) had volunteered to join the Germans including over 6000 that had clamoured to get in the SS. Some were in mixed German/Norwegian units but there were also whole SS divisions recruited solely from Norwegian volunteers that fought with enthusiasm and distinction in all theatres of the war. There was no German occupied country that provided such a high percentage of volunteers to the SS.

The post war years were a time of retribution and revenge by the allied aligned Norwegians against the returning ex-German army and SS volunteers and their families. The 'resolution' was brutal with many deaths in the internment and prison camps. A large number who fought against the Russians were given over to the USSR to die in their death camps.

The Norwegian Government was extremely keen to send every signal possible that they wanted to continue to be aligned with the west. Part of their 'adjustment' to the image of their collective war service was an accentuation of the links there had been with the UK (with the gift of a tree, ski schools in Scotland, cultural exchanges, etc), and then as the cold war dawned, their enthusiasm was fervently embraced as they were key to the defence of NATO's 'northern flank'. It was seen by everyone that the story of their war service should be represented by 'The Heroes of Telemark' and not the alternative, but far more accurate German offering, 'Viking Division does good job trampling on European Babies'.
 

NormanD

Lunatic Asylum Escapee
R.I.P the Harrier another FUBAR! choice by our government, yet the AV-8 (American marine version of the harrier) is getting an upgrade to see it into service for another 10 years!

Airfix kit ... not on your life, try the Hasegawa and Trumpeter kits  :thumbsup: ( I have a few as loft insulation as with the concord kits)
 
Decades ago, I think very late 60's, I remember eating breakfast and reading a guide to flying a Harrier - on the back of a box of breakfast cerial!

Now I'll never have chance to try it...
 

montage

God Almighty
Location
Bethlehem
Great plane, and the end of an era, but it's more than certainly an outdated peice of kit, especially since we are saying bye to HMS Arc Royal. I'd rather the cuts hit the harriers than detracted any more from the infantry
 
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