Countersteering again + video

[Jonathan M]

Years ago I read about this technique with regards to cycling (not motorbikes) and it seemed to be describing more of a "speedway" technique, albeit not as exaggerated, that the cyclist should be almost extending the inner arm on a curve, the book suggested that the further the bike leans, the more the effect?

Totally uncertain whether I do this or not!

 

[Steve Austin]

Speedway is not countersteering, its a controlled slide.

 

[Steve Austin]

But what relevance its got to cycling i have no idea.

 

[LLB]

Speedway is not countersteering, its a controlled slide.

so why doesn't the bike go where the front wheel is pointing ?

 

[Smokin Joe]

so why doesn't the bike go where the front wheel is pointing ?

Because the back wheel is trying to overtake it.

 

[alp1950]

And sorry Alp1950 - but you do NOT need to unweight your skis to turn them. I know many ski schools teach that (or used to) - I was taught that way too, many years ago. But it's just plain wrong. Read any of the books by Ali Ross. The apparent "up / down " motion should be sympton of the turn rather than the cause.

Off to try to some countersteering now !

No you don't need to, but you can. I think there are several ways to turn your skis...just as there are to turn your bike.

 

[Fab Foodie]

No you don't need to, but you can. I think there are several ways to turn your skis...just as there are to turn your bike.

Err, havn't we just established that there is really only 1 way to steer a bike?

 

[LLB]

Because the back wheel is trying to overtake it.

It should still go in the same direction as the front wheel if the front has grip (which they do)

Anyway, here is a better demonstration of countersteering

 

[redjedi]

It should still go in the same direction as the front wheel if the front has grip (which they do)

Anyway, here is a better demonstration of countersteering

He'll be fine when he actually gets out on the road with all that practise.

As long as he only ever turns left

 

[LLB]

He'll be fine when he actually gets out on the road with all that practise.

As long as he only ever turns left

He'd have a job turning right with the wall there

irrespective of how the laws of physics work regarding counter steering on a cycle or motorcycle, it does work well in practice.

I was teaching it today (as well as some other techniques to someone I work with) and it does have its place. Anything which gives more confidence to someone who is looking to improve their skills cannot be a bad thing

 

[LLB]

These m/cycles are being ridden at low speed (comparable with a cycle)

Tell me that they could manage this without counter steering as the same forces governing cycles also govern motorcycles.

It is an impressive display of skill by all involved IMO