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Re export control of Covid related pharmaceuticals, here are two links from March last year:
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/comment/parallel-export-covid-19/
https://www.gponline.com/drug-export-bans-tripled-maintain-stocks-covid-19-outbreak/article/1677947
Not difficult to find.
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/comment/parallel-export-covid-19/
https://www.gponline.com/drug-export-bans-tripled-maintain-stocks-covid-19-outbreak/article/1677947
Not difficult to find.
I think in all honesty though if the boot were on the other foot and the EU had gone for the short cut route you would have had the mirror image of the complaints being raised.
Germany has just spent €400 million on the drug used to treat Trump that is effective in helping stop the disease progress to very serious. I wonder if this wasn't done via the EU to prevent the chance of further delays. Who knows.
Our minister-president has rightly said not to waste energy trying to apportion blame for the slow start, notwithstanding Baden-Württemberg with a high rate of infection has vaccinated the fewest, and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern with one of the lowest rates has done the most.
matticus
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/medicines-that-cannot-be-parallel-exported-from-the-uk
Lists 174 drugs/medicines but does not indicate those which are or may be used to treat COVID-19.
However I note this exclusion:
"Exports that have already been agreed
"If you receive a final agreed purchase order from an importer before the date of restriction then you can still carry out that order. Open, rolling or frame orders placed by importers before the date of restriction can only be fulfilled if the products have been picked and packed, and transport booked."
What Is Parallel Export?
"Parallel exporting is when wholesalers buy medicines already placed on the market in the UK to sell them in another country in the European Economic Area (EEA). The restrictions would prevent wholesalers buying drugs cheaply in the UK and selling them at inflated prices abroad. Parallel exporting and hoarding of medicines can create or worsen medicine shortages."
I assume all countries have this sort of control and licensing mechanism for human medicines/drugs.
Lists 174 drugs/medicines but does not indicate those which are or may be used to treat COVID-19.
However I note this exclusion:
"Exports that have already been agreed
"If you receive a final agreed purchase order from an importer before the date of restriction then you can still carry out that order. Open, rolling or frame orders placed by importers before the date of restriction can only be fulfilled if the products have been picked and packed, and transport booked."
What Is Parallel Export?
"Parallel exporting is when wholesalers buy medicines already placed on the market in the UK to sell them in another country in the European Economic Area (EEA). The restrictions would prevent wholesalers buying drugs cheaply in the UK and selling them at inflated prices abroad. Parallel exporting and hoarding of medicines can create or worsen medicine shortages."
I assume all countries have this sort of control and licensing mechanism for human medicines/drugs.
Rusty Nails
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These matters are rarely as simple as people make out to prove a point. This one may be another unfortunate by-product of Brexit rather than some underhand decision by the UK, but I will leave it to experts in international trading laws to give me the true answer.
A little quick trawling on Google can be a dangerous thing
https://pharmaintelligence.informa....w-rules-will-hit-parallel-trade-from-uk-to-eu
Indeed. The point made by @mjr was that the UK has not been shy to use export controls when needed, though in a less public manner.These matters are rarely as simple as people make out to prove a point. This one may be another unfortunate by-product of Brexit rather than some underhand decision by the UK, but I will leave it to experts in international trading laws to give me the true answer.
A little quick trawling on Google can be a dangerous thing
https://pharmaintelligence.informa....w-rules-will-hit-parallel-trade-from-uk-to-eu
I think I made clear what I thought of von der Leyen's actions further up. Had the commission worked in their usual quiet way to get this sorted, we would not be talking about this, we would probably still be talking about de Pfeffel's notpology and the 100000+ dead, instead von der Leyen provided de Pfeffel with a fantastically stinking putrefying cat on the desk.
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roubaixtuesday
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Latest news for Friday 29 Jan:
487 756 first doses + 2178 second doses. Second best day so far I think.
8 859 372 total doses to date is a very good result.
And again - a really good effort by all the agencies involved.
Tbh I'm not concerned whether we hit the stretching target or not - at this rate we will end up (barring more weather issues or batch release issues) with a very creditable figure imo. And if we do it will be something that we all ought to be proud of.
I hope that pride we get turns into a real willingness to be willing to pay for a health service that will post covid need a hell of a lot more money to deal with the mess that will follow. Not to mention willing to support and back all the staff who have been have been work flat out. When they campaign for the pay increases they are well over due. Not forgetting fighting for an end to all levels of violence they get day in day out. Or make people stop treating the health service as something to miss use.
Going on how the weekly clip and the support that came with it quickly evaporated I'm not hopefully.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
A couple of excellent twitter threads on the vaccine supply issue from people involved.
As someone who's been directly involved in similar work, their take makes perfect sense.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/sandyddouglas/status/1355565609434677255
As someone who's been directly involved in similar work, their take makes perfect sense.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/sandyddouglas/status/1355565609434677255
Makes you wonder if ones who are power really know that this is not like making a few aspirin. But a heck of a more complex and mostly being set up for a very cold start.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Yes.
The UK has a head start, but it's by no means beyond the realms of possibility that this could have turned out the other way around, should the worst problems have been here rather than Belgium.
A little more empathy towards those on the contingent whose hopes have been dashed and whose vulnerable will die as result would not go amiss.
Rusty Nails
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The point I was trying to make was that the UK decision was not so much a refusal to export but possibly more an inability to do so under complicated trade and IP legislation.
The EU decision in this case, swiftly rescinded when they realised the full ramifications of what they planned, was a deliberate refusal as a tactic.
You may well be right in that it gave an opportunity to take some heat off Johnson, but that is conflating two different issues. What von Der Leyen tried to do to deflect blame for the EU vaccine debacle was wrong...full stop.
lane
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"'The best advert for Brexit': European press reacts to EU Covid vaccine row | Coronavirus | The Guardian" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/31/european-press-reacts-eu-covid-vaccine-row
Seems the EU press are holding the EU accountable and not the UK, which they acknowledge has done a better job on vaccines.
Seems the EU press are holding the EU accountable and not the UK, which they acknowledge has done a better job on vaccines.
