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Cyclists’ Touring Club (CTC)

Annual General Meeting AGM 2016

Newsletter 1



CONTENT:

· AGM 2016 details

· AGM documentation

· Poll of the whole club in regard to the rebranding to We Are Cycling UK

· CTC responds to the poll

· Wording of the petition

· What is next?

· Discussion here of the changes in the CTC

· Confusion what confusion

· What can you do?

· If you vote by post

· CTC AGM agenda and minutes 2016

· CTC AGM minutes for 2015


DETAILS OF THE AGM 2016

DATE: Saturday 7th May 2016 TIME: 11.30 am

LOCATION: Hallmark Hotel, Midland Road, Derby, DE1 2SQ (Opposite the Railway Station)

I have been told by Sue Cherry there are no preferential rates. The rates are for single room b/b and evening meal £78

http://www.hallmarkhotels.co.uk/hotels/derby-midland/map-and-directions

http://www.hallmarkhotels.co.uk/hotels/derby-midland

PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL CTC LOCAL MEMBER GROUPS AND INFORMAL GROUP AND ANY OTHER CTC MEMBERS.


AGM: To obtain admission, members must produce a valid membership card or other proof of current membership.

TELL CTC HQ: To enable to venue to cater for the correct numbers, please advise:

Sue Cherry if you will be attending - sue.cherry@ctc.org.uk or phone 01483 238302.


DOCUMENTATION

CTC Annural Report and Accounts for the year 2014 to 2015. http://www.cyclinguk.org/about-ctc/policies-and-procedures/annual-reports-and-accounts

2016 AGM Agenda and 2015 Minutes as printed in the April/May issue of Cycle

AGM Agenda 2016 and 2015 Minutes http://www.ctc.org.uk/agm

Orders in Council paper with track changes.

Governance Paper with track changes which reflect the changes made at the January 2016 National Council meeting.


POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB IN REGARD TO THE REBRANDING TO WE ARE CYCLING UK

I have successfully petition (SEE BELOW TO THE WORDING) the CTC to demand a poll of the whole club so CTC members will have the opportunity to endorse or overturn the motion in the June/July edition of “Cycle”.

I have received around three time the 200 CTC members’ signatures required. So the request for signatures for the petition is now closed.


CTC RESPONDS TO THE POLL

There is some doubt in my mind that the CTC may try to twist my word of limit my access to CTC member based upon the words of Shivaji Shivapadasundaram CTC Honorary Consulting Solicitor (see below)


“It will be necessary to consider the most appropriate manner in which to communicate to members the reasons for the ballot and your concerns. In doing so, the trustees must act in the best interests of the charity as a whole.

That does not require that:

• the arguments on either side must be set out at equal length, that your views must have equal exposure via CTC communications channels; or that

• your views should be expressed without editorial control. In order to set out the issues for members in a responsible and balanced manner, it may be necessary to make changes that go further than editing for clarity and this would not amount to ‘censorship’ as you have suggested.

The charity will not therefore be providing the assurances you request.”


“DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB

We the undersigned members of the Cyclists’ Touring Club (CTC) demand a poll of the whole club ASAP in accordance with Article 11 of the Memorandum of Association of the Cyclists’ Touring Club (as amended by the AGM on 12 May 2012).

We are petitioning the CTC to demand a poll of the whole club so CTC members will have the opportunity to endorse or overturn the motion passed at CTC Council meeting on 23rd January 2016 that agreed to the replacement of the existing branding of “Cyclists` Touring Club or CTC” and associated logo(s) and heritage marks with “CYCLING UK” or another branding name and logo(s)”


WHAT IS NEXT?

The rebranding is only the start of the changes The governance issues up before this year’s AGM will reduce the opportunity of involvement of CTC members in the influencing the direction of the club. It will make the possibility of place wo(men) selection being influence by CEO to the nomination committee. Place men have already crept onto the Council they have been CTC members for less than one year.

DISCUSSION HERE OF THE CHANGES IN THE CTC

http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewforum.php?f=48

https://www.facebook.com/groups/911322558887222/ Facebook - Where the CTC should be going


CONFUSION WHAT CONFUSION

It has been drawn to our attention that there are already similarly named cycling-related internet sites

http://www.ukcyclingevents.co.uk/

http://www.cyclesuk.com/

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/

http://www.cycletraining.co.uk/

https://www.facebook.com/ucyclingk/?fref=ts

https://twitter.com/CyclingUKNews

http://cycleuk.bike/


WHAT CAN YOU DO?

Go to AGM 2016 If you are unable to go your voting paper is on the back of the address label of the Cycle magazine.

You can appoint me as your proxy.

REMEMBER DO NOT LEAVE BOX 2b blank that will be giving your vote to the chair.

MY NAME IS PHILIP BENSTEAD


IF YOU VOTE BY POST


Vote NO for the following motions 1, 2, 3, 5 This will fire a shoot across the blow of the CTC council


Vote YES for motions 4, 6,7,8,9,10,11,12 These motions aim is to increase accountability


Vote as you please for motions 13 to 17


CYCLISTS’ TOURING CLUB

CTC AGM AGENDA AND MINUTES 2016

The Annual General Meeting of the Cyclists’ Touring Club will be held at

11.30am on Saturday 7th May 2016 at Hallmark Hotel Derby, Midland Road, Derby, DE1 2SQ.

To obtain admission, members must produce a valid membership card or other proof of current membership. To enable the venue to cater for the correct numbers, please advise Sue Cherry if you will be attending: sue.cherry@ctc.org.uk or

01483 238302.

Paul Tuohy, Chief Executive


A full copy of the Articles of Association and Determinations in General Meeting is available on the CTC website or on request from National Office, and copies will be available at the meeting. Versions of this agenda in alternative formats are also available on request from National Office. The Proxy Voting form is circulated with the April/May edition of Cycle. Procedures for use are on the form.


AGENDA


ORDINARY BUSINESS

1) To adopt as a true record the minutes of the Annual General Meeting held in London on 18th July 2015.

2) To adopt the Annual Report of the

Council and the audited accounts for the year ended 30th September 2015, as published on the CTC website.

3) To reappoint Buzzacott LLP as auditors and to authorise the Council to fix their remuneration.


ORDINARY RESOLUTIONS

4) That the subscription table to the determination pursuant to current Article

4.4 of the Articles of Association shall remain unchanged, for the year from 1st October 2016.

Proposer Barry Flood on behalf of Council, seconder Dan Howard


5) Proposed governance changes

CTC Council (the charity trustees) invite members to:

(i) note the report of the Governance Working



Group on the results of its Governance Review (see pages 11-12 of the April/May magazine); (ii) approve the approach agreed by Council; and

(iii) approve the changes to the Orders in Council of CTC that are necessary to implement that approach (‘the Proposed Changes’).


Note – the Proposed Changes are:

(i) the deletion of Standing Order 6 for Council meetings (election of the Chair) to allow for the Chair of Council to be elected by Council at any time of the year in accordance with the proposed procedure;

(ii) the amendment of the Orders in Council so far as they are inconsistent with the recommendations of the Governance Working Group, specifically:

the amendment of Order 5 so the entire area over which the Club operates is treated as a single electoral division. This would mean that all Council members are chosen by elections in which all members can participate rather than in separate elections for electoral divisions covering defined geographic regions; deletion of Order 5 (e), the right for Councillors to have the names and addresses of members residing in their electoral divisions. (National Office arranges to send messages from Councillors to members where appropriate and consistent with the law on data protection.)

consequential changes following from these changes to Order 5.

A copy of Standing Order 6 (to be deleted), together with a copy of the Orders in Council showing the proposed changes as ‘tracked changes’, can be found at www.ctc.org.uk/agm or obtained from Carol McKinley by emailing carol.mckinley@ctc.org.uk or calling 01483 238304.

Proposer Martin Cockersole, seconder Jaki Lowe


6) Elections to Council

This AGM proposes that candidates must have been fully paid-up members for least a year prior to the closing date for nominations. Candidates shall state on their election address the date they joined CTC and length of time as members.


Proposer’s note: There has been concern at the short time some new Councillors had been members. Some had been members less than one year. Candidates must be sufficiently committed/knowledgeable of CTC to be able

to comply with the requirement that they can ‘represent the full diversity of membership’.

Proposer Tim Court, seconder William Goodge


Council response: CTC Council disagrees with this resolution. Council believes that this resolution is:

(i) unnecessary – because candidates are elected to Council by existing members,

who can decide whether they have the skills, knowledge and experience they need; and

(ii) undesirable – because if we want people of all ages, backgrounds and abilities to cycle, we need to draw suitably qualified candidates for the board of trustees from across the five million cyclists in the UK and not just from 67,000 current members.


7) Acceptance of motions

This AGM proposes that any amended or rejected motions should be published (redacted if confidential personal information is involved) on the website with subsequent communications.


Proposer’s note: This will show that the Agenda Committee has correctly dealt with motions as stated by Orders in Council and Standing Orders as at 12th May 2004, ‘The Committee may at its discretion re-draft a motion in order to prevent its rejection or to make it more intelligible but in any such revision the Committee shall not alter the sense or purpose of the motion without the consent of the proposer.’

Proposer Charles Halliday, seconder Michael Simmons


Council response: Council supports this motion as desirable in the interests of transparency.


8) Reporting remuneration of CTC staff This AGM proposes that CTC follow the recommendations of NCVO – Report of the Inquiry into Charity Senior Executive Pay: https://www.ncvo.org.uk/images/documents/ about_us/our-finances-and-pay/Executive_ Pay_Report.pdf

Proposer’s note: Report shows the need for transparency/openness, that show trustees are fulfilling their legal obligations. The report’s main recommendations in brief are as follows.

It is good practice to publish the remuneration, job titles and the names of their highest-paid.

It is good practice to publish the reasons to justify the amounts and explain how they reflect the charity’s ethos and values.

It is good practice to publish in both annual accounts/website.

Proposer Peter Kanssen, seconder David Aylett


Council response: Council believes this motion is unnecessary. CTC already meets

its obligations under the law and accounting regulations in relation to the disclosure of executive pay. The audited accounts of the charity include details of staff costs and of senior executive pay in accordance with the requirements of the Charities SORP. “

It is always possible to improve how we handle issues such as this and we propose to build on the governance review by developing a statement of the principles that the charity applies when determining staff remuneration.”

http://www.charitiessorp.org/


The disclosure of certain transactions is important for stewardship purposes to provide assurance that the charity is operating for the public benefit and that its trustees are acting in the interests of their charity and not for private benefit. For this reason, this SORP requires that disclosure must be made of transactions involving trustees, related parties, staff remuneration and ex-gratia payments. The payments made to the auditor or independent examiner must also be disclosed


Structure, governance and management 1.51. The report must provide the user with an understanding of how the charity is constituted, its governance and management structures, and how its trustees are trained. In particular, the report must explain: • the charity’s organisational structure and, where relevant, those of its subsidiary undertakings; • how the charity makes decisions, for example which types of decisions are taken by the charity’s trustees and which are delegated to staff; • the policies and procedures for the induction and training of trustees; • the arrangements for setting the pay and remuneration of the charity’s key management personnel and any benchmarks, parameters or criteria used in setting their pay; • if the charity is part of a wider network (for example if it is affiliated with an umbrella group), how, if at all, this impacts on the operating policies adopted by the charity; and • relationships between the charity and related parties, including its subsidiary undertakings, and with any other charities and organisations with which it cooperates in the pursuit of its charitable objectives.


9) CTC Council election process

This AGM proposes that Council elections will be undertaken through the Electoral Reform Services, initially for a trial period. There should be a period of 30 days between the issue of ballot papers and the deadline for returning them to the Returning Officer.


Proposer’s note: Using ERS will permit votes to be collected via the internet, reducing the cost

of administration, with provision made for non- internet users. Staff to be strictly impartial so that no questions can be raised about the propriety of the voting system.

Proposer Rupert Gardner, seconder John Frederick Osborne


Council response: Council supports the use of ERS as a means to carry out an efficient, cost-effective and robust election process and welcomes the opportunity to free staff time to focus on more strategic issues. We also note that there are other, potentially more effective, means of achieving a similar result such as using electronic voting (as other membership charities do). We therefore propose to use ERS on a trial basis and then review alternative approaches.


10) CTC Council meeting minutes

This AGM proposes that complete, accurate minutes be recorded at all CTC Council meetings. That draft minutes be published on the CTC website within ten working days, with draft minutes of committees and reports referenced. That CTC Council meeting agendas be published on the website no later than five working days before each meeting. Standing Orders to be amended.


Proposer’s note: Accurate Council minutes are the legal record of the CTC. Incomplete Council minutes are not published for three months, unreasonably, until after the next meeting. Most 67,000 members are so excluded from or engaged in most development of CTC plans and priorities.

Proposer H Reed, seconder J Spencer

Council response: Council opposes this motion as unnecessary and potentially time-consuming. The charity maintains complete and accurate minutes and this has been confirmed by our auditors. Significant decisions of Council are communicated to members promptly by a variety of means including Cycle, CycleClips and other member updates.

We prefer not to publish draft minutes to avoid misunderstandings. We recognise that we could refine our processes and have already begun to trial means by which we can engage directly with the membership. We will be reviewing the way that we engage with members and with all our volunteers in response to the findings of the governance review. This will be covered in the next phase of the governance review.

11) AGM minutes

This AGM proposes that full accurate minutes are made at every National CTC AGM. Draft (unapproved) AGM minutes shall be published on the CTC website within 15 working days. Standing Orders be amended accordingly.


Proposer’s note: CTC AGM minutes are a legal record of CTC business, currently published and approved a year later. Most of the 67,000 members are unaware of and disengaged in CTC plans and priorities. This is unacceptable communication.

Early publishing of draft AGM minutes shows openness, accountability, strengthens governance, and opportunities for wider CTC member engagement and use of their skills. Proposer H Reed, seconder J Spencer

Council response: Council opposes this resolution as unnecessary. The report of ERS on the results of the resolutions considered by members at the AGM is published on the CTC website promptly each year – and usually within 14 days of the AGM.


12) Equality policy

This AGM proposes that CTC now fulfils its decision, minuted on 18 July 2015, to convene an Equality Working Group and report back to January 2016 Council meeting. A CTC governance review must only be adopted when an approved equality policy and action plan is integral.


Proposer’s note: CTC is lawfully required not to discriminate against employees, members or in provision of its services; that it recognizes obligations under current, relevant acts and related obligations. CTC equality policy and plan review remains incomplete since 2007. The Equality Act 2010 contains legal changes, and campaigning power that CTC neglects.

Proposer H Reed, seconder J Spencer


Council response: Council is committed to ensuring that its members include people with relevant skills, knowledge or experience drawn from all ages, backgrounds and abilities. We are mindful of both CTC’s legal duties and the positive benefits of a genuinely ‘diverse’ board, which brings a variety of perspectives to the important and complex task of making the joy of cycling accessible to everyone.

Councillor Lizzie Reather has agreed to act as our Equality Champion and to convene a working group, and is passionate about the need to achieve change in this area. CTC Diversity Policy is reviewed annually and was last updated in late 2012. The plan was reviewed in July 2015.

We believe the implementation of the Governance Working Group’s recommendations will equip CTC to engage more effectively with complex strategic issues such as this. It is not necessary to delay that important work – and while we cannot accept the motion as drafted, the development of processes to promote equality will be integral to the next phase of the governance review.


13) European Union climate change The CTC to promote a European Union climate change policy of national governments funding cycling infrastructure, with a 3% minimum investment of transport spending on cycling infrastructure (built to CROW standards) or investment in relationship to the modal share of cycling.

Proposer’s note: This motion aims to ensure that reasonable levels of funding are available to provide cycling infrastructure in all EU countries. The CTC may gain support via MEPs and in conjunction with the ECF.

Proposer Colin Clarke, seconder Tony Franklin


Council response: CTC Council disagrees with this motion. CTC fully supports the aspiration to secure significant EU funding for cycling, and for cycle-friendly infrastructure to be built to the Dutch ‘CROW’ (or similar) standards. However, campaigning for this is the role of the European Cyclists’ Federation (ECF). ECF is already running a ‘6 billion Euros for cycling’ campaign, and is far better geared up for this type of campaign than CTC’s office in Guildford.

CTC will continue to support ECF’s campaigning, e.g. encouraging our members and supporters to contact their MEPs when ECF highlights opportunities to influence funding or other EU decisions affecting cycling. However, with the UK devolution agenda placing increasing pressure on CTC’s capacity to campaign effectively throughout the UK – including the ‘City Deal’ regions as well as the devolved nations – it would not be a good use of CTC’s finite campaigning capacity to attempt to duplicate ECF’s work in Brussels as well.


14) Legal minimum passing clearance The AGM requests a legal requirement for minimum passing clearance when overtaking or near to cyclists, to try and reduce the frequency of motor vehicles passing too close. On roads with speed limits up to and including 30mph or when passing at a speed up to and including

30mph, a 1m minimum is suggested. On roads with higher speed limits, a 1.5m minimum passing distance is suggested. In addition, on narrow roads frequent passing places should be provided.


Proposer’s note: This motion aims to provide an extra incentive for drivers to overtake

only when suitable space is available. http:// cyclingtips.com/2015/10/south-australia- introduces-a-minimum-passing-distance-when- overtaking-cyclists/

Proposer Colin Clarke, seconder Alan Goswell


Council response: CTC Council disagrees with this motion. Council agrees that close overtaking should be tackled. It’s hazardous for cyclists and extremely intimidating. However, Council remains reluctant to specify a ‘headline’ overtaking distance because (for example) even 1.5m may not be enough in some circumstances and we don’t want to risk giving drivers the impression that it is.

The Highway Code (rather than the law) is better placed to explain optimum overtaking distances because it could state a standard minimum distance, and explain the circumstances in which more space is needed, e.g. on fast roads, in bad weather, etc. When the next revision is announced, we will campaign for various amendments, including clearer advice to drivers on overtaking.


15) Bridge charity group

The CTC to establish a CTC bridge charity group (initially expected to be based on volunteers), with the aims of assessing the need, advising on design, and assist in raising funds to provide extra bridges or crossing facilities for rivers, roads or rail in regards to cycling.


Proposer’s note: CTC could assist in highlighting where an additional crossing may be worthwhile, provide design advice and help

to raise funds. This could result in the CTC being more directly involved in providing more cycle routes and working with Sustrans or others to deliver them.

Proposer Colin Clarke, seconder Douglas Hope


Council response: Council opposes this motion. CTC is involved in the infrastructure debate at the highest levels. It would be a significant diversion from CTC’s agreed strategy to convene a group of volunteers to seek to deliver bridges in a market which is seeing reductions to funding, as public bodies respond to budget cuts, and is already served by organisations such as Sustrans.


16) Helmet use

The AGM requests that all CTC rides and events promoted by the CTC or advertised in Cycle do not insist on riders wearing helmets.

Proposers note: The CTC helmet policy is to allow choice in helmet use and the motion adds support to the policy.

Proposer Colin Clarke, seconder John Robson


Council response: Council opposes this motion because:

(I) it would be contrary to CTC’s policy of allowing choice in helmet use to interfere with members’ freedom to participate in events where helmets are required;

(ii) it would interfere with our desire to encourage people of all ages, backgrounds and abilities to cycle; and

(iii) the decision of event organizers to require helmet use is often driven by external requirements such as the stipulations of insurers.


17) Helmets in Cycle

The AGM requests that editorial priority for ‘Cycle’ is to provide a balance of pictures showing cyclists with and without helmets.

Proposer’s note: CTC policy is to oppose helmet legislation and not to promote helmets. Cycle tends to include more pictures of helmeted cyclists and a greater effort to provide a balance is required. Failure to provide a balance could be a form of promotion.

Proposer Colin Clarke, seconder John Robson


Council response: Council opposes this motion as unnecessary. While the editor of Cycle aims to shows a variety of people in a range of cycling contexts, the editorial priority of Cycle is to share the joy of cycling. Focusing on the narrow issue of helmet-use would be a distraction from that aim.


CYCLIST S’ TOURING CLUB

AGM MINUTES FOR 2015

The Annual General Meeting of the Cyclists’ Touring Club was held at 2.30pm on Saturday 18th July 2015 at

The Wesley, 81-103 Euston Street, London NW1 2EZ, with David Cox (Chair of CTC National Council) in the Chair.


ORDINARY BUSINESS

1) To adopt as a true record the minutes of the Annual General Meeting held in Glasgow on 10th May 2014.

Proposed by Barry Flood, seconded by Dan Howard

CARRIED: For = 1811, Against = 9, Abstentions = 0


2) To adopt the Annual Report of the Council and the audited accounts for the year ended 30th September 2014 as published on the CTC website.

Proposed by Barry Flood, seconded by Dan Howard

CARRIED: For = 1829, Against = 15, Abstentions = 8


3) To reappoint Buzzacott LLP as auditors and to authorise the Council to fix their remuneration.

Proposed by Barry Flood, seconded by Dan Howard

CARRIED: For = 1816, Against = 53, Abstentions = 0


ORDINARY RESOLUTIONS

4) That, with effect from 1st October 2015, the subscription table to the determination pursuant to current Article 4.4 of the Articles of Association be deleted and replaced by the following: “Ordinary Membership

Subscription effective from 1 October 2015: £43.00”.

Proposed by Barry Flood on behalf of Council, seconded by Jaki Lowe.

CARRIED: For = 1475, Against = 400, Abstentions = 0


5) The CTC Councillors shall resist any move to change: how CTC Councillors are elected by the CTC membership; any reduction in councillor numbers; the CTC Charity Trustees status of all CTC Councillors. Or to allow Trustees of the CTC charity to be appointed by any means other than direct election by the membership.

Proposed by Lawrie Match, seconded by John Murdoch

LOST: For = 755, Against = 1082, Abstentions = 8


6) CTC Councillors shall take the wishes of the membership into account when interpreting the Articles of Association of the club and when deciding how to implement the objectives of the club.

Proposed by John Murdoch, seconded by Lawrie Mutch

CARRIED: For = 1891, Against = 26, Abstentions = 2


7) This meeting deplores CTC’s reduction of campaigning capability and of membership benefits consequent upon recent staff redundancies at National Office.

Proposed by Chris Jeggo, seconded by Philip Benstead

LOST: For = 801, Against = 961, Abstentions = 4


8) The West Surrey Members Group of CTC call upon CTC National Council to exercise their responsibilities in:

determining the strategic direction of CTC, taking full account of the interests of members; ensuring that the Leadership Team, headed by the Chief Executive, take operational actions which are consistent with the strategic direction agreed by National Council, using those powers that are granted to them when necessary and appropriate.

Proposed by Mark Waters, seconded by John Murdoch

CARRIED: For = 1794, Against = 48, Abstentions = 1

Meeting closed at 5.04pm


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Bollo

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Philip, have you ever considered that the Internet might be running out?
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Philip, have you ever considered that the Internet might be running out?
The last time I saw part one on such a long post, the post was multi-coloured.

@Philip Benstead, Question:
Why are you telling people how to vote? Last time I checked that method of ballot fixing wasn't exactly legal. We also have a choice in this, so please, keep your opinions yours and I'll keep mine, mine. Ballot is secret after all.
 
These are mere suggestions. Do not take any notice if you so wish or even vote the opposite to my suggestion. Some CTC member are grateful for my small efforts. BTW I am not fixing the ballot like some organisations, it just like any political observer giving an insight in the lie of land.


If I am correct the way CTC is going, in that the reduction in members’ benefits or the loss of them and the reduction in funds from HMG, the CTC will become a much smaller organisations like the Rough Stuff fellowship. Some Senior councillor are just about given up, and we recently had one resign because she could not make useful contribution to the council work,

Sorry if I upset you, I know there is very little interest in the CTC on this forum. I would suggest you did not read by contribution.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
These are mere suggestions. Do not take any notice if you so wish or even vote the opposite to my suggestion. Some CTC member are grateful for my small efforts. BTW I am not fixing the ballot like some organisations, it just like any political observer giving an insight in the lie of land.


If I am correct the way CTC is going, in that the reduction in members’ benefits or the loss of them and the reduction in funds from HMG, the CTC will become a much smaller organisations like the Rough Stuff fellowship. Some Senior councillor are just about given up, and we recently had one resign because she could not make useful contribution to the council work,

Sorry if I upset you, I know there is very little interest in the CTC on this forum. I would suggest you did not read by contribution.
Maybe you could take the time to actually read what was posted.
I have a choice in this vote for a reason. And truth be known, you're the biggest reason I can give at this moment for non-renewal.
 
Maybe you could take the time to actually read what was posted.
I have a choice in this vote for a reason. And truth be known, you're the biggest reason I can give at this moment for non-renewal.
Do i know you?
I have as much right to a view on any subject as anybody else. If you do not like my views do not read them.
My influence is very slight.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Difference is I'm not telling people how they should vote and why on national sites.

I'm for the individual making their own choice.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
You can make your own choice to follow my suggestions or not.
You advocate a free vote, with no-one saying why you should vote a particular way on national sites beforehand?
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
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Philip, I'm going to put aside the flippancy for a moment and make a few suggestions.

This is not the CTC forum. Based on the response to your previous posts, the current level of interest in the CTC on here is VERY limited, especially in the minutiae of the in-fighting, squabbling and politics. Without looking I know that the very same post will have appeared on the CTC forum. Why not just post a link to that and save Shaun some disk space.

This thread, and the similar monster you cut and pasted a day or two ago, serve no clear purpose. What's the context, what's important, why is it here? I'm baffled.

The CTC charity/governance debate was done to death on CC when it was still possible to make a difference. I'm afraid that voices far more eloquent than yours argued against the charity conversion and its effects, and yet the change still went ahead. Nearly everyone on here that cared (I did to a point) has long since moved on. IMO you're fighting for a ghost.

Finally, if you do want people to engage with you then you're going to have to engage with them more yourself in a broader and more meaningful way. If you only turn up on CC to duplicate-post from the CTC forum about the latest shenanigans and then either disappear from the thread or get spiky, then expect to recieve short shrift.
 

Spinney

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I don't think CycleChat is the place for posting such huge posts about a different organisation. I'd have had more sympathy if you'd posted a link. And as pointed out above, this is the 2nd such thing you've done within a couple of days.

I am going to lock both threads temporarily to allow the moderation team time to discuss whether or not this kind of post is wanted on these forums. Please do not try to circumvent this by just posting it all again.
 
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