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Work has finally stated on CSH 7 at Colliers Wood - I'll take some pics tonight. Unfortunately, the artist impressions seem to be accurate representations of what we're getting in South London.

A photoshopped pic here by Ade at lfgss which would be funny if it wasn't prophetic:

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http://www.lfgss.com/thread38486.html
 
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This is the junction at Longley Rd and Tooting High St, going south.

Apologies for the poor pics taken tonight:

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Here's the junction with Blackshaw Rd and High St Colliers Wood, going north:

(Here's how it used to be: http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&l...noid=e-DyyGHygMqdAu2wjZhQ7w&cbp=12,18.12,,0,5 )



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I like the geometric collision of shapes here:


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theboytaylor

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That's just terrible. I'm sure it's been mentioned before but:
It's bloody cheeky painting existing infrastructure blue and calling it new;
Nearly every single artist's impression highlighted the likely location of countless collisions between cyclists and pedestrians or motor vehicles;
Those pictures of the actual work being done depresses me the most. Just sh1t layout and a bright strip of road surface that all the fcukwits can point at as they shout "getinthefackingcyclelaneyewcaahhhnnt".

I'm not in a good mood today, in case you couldn't tell...
 

stowie

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So these are actual photos of the marvellous new scheme? Isn't this exactly the same as all the other schemes except that they have used the colour blue?

I enjoyed how the lane was blocked by queuing cars, and in one picture you can just make out a motorbike making good use of the ASL.

This is all too depressing for words. Actually it isn't too depressing for words - the words I am thinking of are "Boris, stick your stupid blue cycle lanes up your @rse".
 
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stowie said:
So these are actual photos of the marvellous new scheme? Isn't this exactly the same as all the other schemes except that they have used the colour blue?

I enjoyed how the lane was blocked by queuing cars, and in one picture you can just make out a motorbike making good use of the ASL.

This is all too depressing for words. Actually it isn't too depressing for words - the words I am thinking of are "Boris, stick your stupid blue cycle lanes up your @rse".

Yes, these are the first stages of the CSH7. They were doing work outside the junction at Tooting Bec tube yesterday, so if there's more blue paint on the ground, I'll take some more snaps.

Apologies if it appears that I'm hogging this thread, but I'd like to chart the implementation of the design and see how it evolves.
 
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Mayoral Questions - Feb 2010

Cycle Superhighway (1)
Question No: 486 / 2010
Richard Tracey

What consultation took place with Merton and Wandsworth Councils on the Merton to City Cycle Superhighway, particularly regarding road widths and heavy traffic on this superhighway route?

Answer from the Mayor:

TfL has undertaken significant consultation and engagement with local councils along the Merton to City route, as well as with other key stakeholders such as the emergency services, cycle groups and representatives of the freight industry.

In May 2009, TfL met with borough officers, including those from LB Merton and LB Wandsworth, to present and discuss the concept of Cycle Superhighways. Merton and Wandsworth Borough officers, along with other stakeholders, were subsequently involved with the detailed Merton to City Cycle Superhighway route inspection held in June 2009 to assess the proposed route alignment and identify cycling improvements.

Throughout autumn and winter 2009 all boroughs along the route reviewed and commented on preliminary design drawings, and a number of changes were incorporated in light of this feedback. More recently, borough officers have had the opportunity to review detailed design drawings, prior to construction start. Traffic Management Plans for the construction phase are currently being finalised, prior to consultation with the Metropolitan Police and borough Traffic Managers.

In parallel, TfL has engaged with town centre groups in agreement with borough officers, to update local residents and business owners in the footprint of the scheme. Leaflets and information have been distributed to properties along the length of the route.

On 1 February 2010, TfL wrote to key stakeholders – including Assembly Members, Members of Parliament, and ward Councillors who have a route running through their constituency – to provide further information on the scope of the Cycle Superhighways works. The TfL website will be regularly updated to ensure that stakeholders are provided with information.

http://thebikeshow.net/cycling-questions-and-answers-from-the-mayor-of-london-february-2010/
 

gouldina

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stowie said:
So these are actual photos of the marvellous new scheme? Isn't this exactly the same as all the other schemes except that they have used the colour blue?

I enjoyed how the lane was blocked by queuing cars, and in one picture you can just make out a motorbike making good use of the ASL.

This is all too depressing for words. Actually it isn't too depressing for words - the words I am thinking of are "Boris, stick your stupid blue cycle lanes up your @rse".

I sent TFL a comment very much along these lines earlier after seeing those pictures.
 
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Upper Tooting Road and Tooting Bec Road...

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Most of the cyclists I saw ignored the lane and cycled about 2-3 feet to its right.

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stowie

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Origamist said:
Upper Tooting Road and Tooting Bec Road...



Most of the cyclists I saw ignored the lane and cycled about 2-3 feet to its right.

And so would I past that crossing where pedestrians are likely to step from the kerb. The blue surface has just simply been dumped on top of the existing markings as well! In the first picture it looks like cyclists would have to move to the left whilst crossing the junction, to then move right and merge with the traffic after it. How on earth is this safe? Why doesn't the cycle lane cross the junction straight? I may be misreading the junction, but it looks like you would have to be hugging the kerb to keep in the blue lane.

This is really poor, and I am disappointed. When it was being said about the blue cycle lanes on road, I had really hoped that they would be a reasonable width, and more carefully thought out than the usual ones put in by local councils. It gives me no great pleasure to say it (since I thought Boris would be a force for good for cycling in London), but this looks horrible.
 

marinyork

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I wonder how the blue will fade. Red often fades pretty poorly despite often being more vibrant (initially) than the green cycle lanes.
 
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stowie said:
And so would I past that crossing where pedestrians are likely to step from the kerb. The blue surface has just simply been dumped on top of the existing markings as well! In the first picture it looks like cyclists would have to move to the left whilst crossing the junction, to then move right and merge with the traffic after it. How on earth is this safe? Why doesn't the cycle lane cross the junction straight? I may be misreading the junction, but it looks like you would have to be hugging the kerb to keep in the blue lane.

You are not misreading the pics, Stowie. This is busy junction with lots of pedestrians (who have not been helped by the rephasing of the lights). I take a line through the centre or centre-left of this junction. If you keep far left, where the lane is painted you will get squeezed by merging traffic (when the vehicles are larger, it exacerbates the problem) and cars wanting to turn left into Stapleton Road - you'll also note that the lane across the junction heads towards the pavement. I have not measured the width of the lane (but will do that tonight), but it is not 2m that's for sure - looked more like 1.4m, if that. Oh, and there's two slippery when wet drain covers at the start of the blue lane! All that said, these are the first stages of the CSH, so things might improve?!

They have now put some more paint down on the way to Stockwell - I'll capture that in all its glory tonight.
 
I sense most people here are a bit underwhelmed. In any case, here is my current impression:

The Cycle Superhighways are nothing but existing roads painted blue. The blue road marking serves one purpose, and one purpose only, and that is signposting for cyclists unfamiliar with the route.

The picture that evidences most clearly that these routes are not going to be "SuperHighways" is the second one from the left in the bottom row ("CS-visuals-image-1 .jpg", "A13 towards City" in http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/cycling/11901.aspx?lid=switcher). We see, on the picture, a shared lane, perhaps a metre wide, to be used by pedestrians and cyclists travelling in both directions, with some nice ribbed road surface to throw the cyclist off balance, and some bollards and lampposts to crash into. Also note the finishing touch: the cyclist will have to cycle along unmarked pavement for a stretch of about 12 metres, and in the process probably be required to commit what, a prima facie, looks like a violation of the Highway Code. Only a closer look at the little blue cycle lane sign on the bollard changes that, but as it stands, it's only confusing. The path would be safer without the sign and the bollard that only features there so the sign can be shown.

It's bonkers.

Looking at the stated aims on TfL's website, I don't see how the scheme delivers any other benefits. It is likely to fail on every other count:

Features

Direct and continuous

The routes will be clearly marked and easy to follow. There will be new signage and road markings, and information about journey time and links to other cycling routes.

Comment: fair enough. That's my point above: the markings are hard to miss. Journey times are a complete red herring. Perhaps a distance-from-goal marker would be of some (limited) use to those unfamiliar with the route. Not "fair enough" though, is the "continuous" label. Are they implying improved traffic flow for cyclists here? But that doesn't improve: the number of traffic lights stays exactly the same. The promise is "direct and continuous". The outcome is that the road network stays exactly the same and cyclists follow the same route they used to, with the same number of traffic lights, and the same big hazards (the road split immediately after the traffic lights at Stockwell and after the
traffic lights at Oval station, both Citybound, spring to mind as examples).

Comfortable

We'll be improving road surfaces and minimising obstructions along the routes so you can pedal more comfortably.

Comment: keeping roads in good nick is an obligation councils etc. already have. There is nothing special about meeting road users' reasonable expectations for road maintenance. It's what I expect councils to do from the council tax I pay (in my case to Merton Council).

Easy to find

Each Cycle Superhighway will have a clear and unique identity. Blue surfaces will also increase driver awareness.
Comment: see comment 1 above. Also, "driver awareness" sounds nice, but in practice I don't see any substantial improvements to safety (see next comment).

Safe

The Cycle Superhighways will be at least 1.5m wide and provide continuous cycle lanes at junctions, advanced stop boxes, and signals to help you keep safe.
Comment: this is a load of bull. The few markings along the Wimbledon-Bank route are, I guess, about 80 centimetres wide. I haven't measured them, but the width is nowhere near 1.5m, and besides, cars, lorries and the like can happily drive within these 80cm "lanes" as they please. Nothing significant actually changes along the Wimbledon-Bank route. The A3 and A24 are exactly the same old roads as before, with the same drivers, the same lorries, doing exactly what they've always done before.
 
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