Cyclists on BBC R5live

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...ast_10_01_2011/

2 hours 22 mins in approx

Ahem... c*ck!


Found this, was this the Beeb news this morning? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12149696

Just watched that.. that Rayner is such a massive, massive c*ck.

 

[snorri]

Just watched that.. that Rayner is such a massive, massive c*ck.

Indeed.
That poor woman sitting beside him must have struggled not to mention the positive effect cycling could have on the obesity problem in the UK.

 

[skudupnorth]

Indeed.
That poor woman sitting beside him must have struggled not to mention the positive effect cycling could have on the obesity problem in the UK.

I thought the same about him too and he even boasted he had past his cycling test ! It was just biased as usual......good motorist.....bad cyclist

 

[goo_mason]

A classic case of someone who needed to get off his massive fat @rse, get on a bike and see for himself what it's like to suffer the driving behaviour of idiots like himself when they're behind the wheel.

He's going to start needing a specally adapted car soon as he'll have trouble squeezing himself into a normal one.

 

[gaz]

Whilst rayner is obviously an arse, he has a point. And it's a point that my silly cyclists series points out every episode!

I've actually been drafting a blog post about how the roads aren't policed properly, which is what this news story was originally about and it stemmed from martin porter QC complaining about the way the police and CPS don't handle our cases correctly.

 

[downfader]

I thought the same about him too and he even boasted he had past his cycling test ! It was just biased as usual......good motorist.....bad cyclist

I've sent an email into BBCBreakfast calling him nothing more than a bigot:

What is it with this man. He seems COMPLETELY unable to listen to reason. Every time someone comes out with reasoned debate he just throws down the "all cyclists run red lights" retort. This is not solving anything, he is simply helping to make things worse for the rest of us! Can you suggest he reads the DFT's transport stats for 2009 as it clearly states that cyclists have been shown to be not to blame in 93% of collisions between motorists and cyclists.

As reported here:
http://road.cc/content/news/12065-cyclists-not-blame-road-casualties-says-study-commissioned-dft

Those people being hit and killed are largely not to blame. He is doing nothing other than regurgitating the same old myths. His thinking is so in-line with this that he could have been the blue print:

http://road.cc/content/news/24074-updated-oi-cyclist-get-road-dft-report-highlights-anti-cycling-attitudes

Can you please challenge him on taxation (how The Economist stated last year that there's something like an £80 billion deficit caused by motoring's externalities such as effect on the NHS for one), plates (he should look at the Toronto scheme and the investigation where they determined public cost would simply not warrant it), and insurance more seriously (pretty obvious as drivers have a history of a) causing more damage, b) causing much more in the way of serious injury, and c) cyclists don't have that history of damage or causing injury). He doesn't have the answers he purports and just resorts to petty insults. Also, offer to get him on a National Standards course, he could learn a lot.

The man is a bigot. Put him in a room with Carlton Reid, this journo knows a hell of a lot about cycling and its issues:
http://ipayroadtax.com/

I entitled the email "Is Adam Raynor living in the same world as the rest of us?" People like him seem to come out with the same crap time and time again. She raised the point about motorists in the media compared to cyclists and how quite rightly no one would say "yes but drivers drink drive."

His reply was "Cyclists need to be more accountable". Raynor, we are. Not just under law but with our lives. She made the very important statement that those dying are not breaking the law but he just burped and wobbled on.

The fat git is an idiot.

 

[downfader]

Whilst rayner is obviously an arse, he has a point. And it's a point that my silly cyclists series points out every episode!

I've actually been drafting a blog post about how the roads aren't policed properly.

There is no question about that. However read my post above, he's gone off on a rant (and now sent me into one )

 

[gaz]

There is no question about that. However read my post above, he's gone off on a rant (and now sent me into one )

AAAAARGH YOU BASTARD...
i typed out a whole rant but deleted it because it just gets me pissed of writing it!!!!!!!!!

 

[germanicdogman]

someone needs to send him a link to weight-watchers.

 

[downfader]

AAAAARGH YOU BASTARD...
i typed out a whole rant but deleted it because it just gets me pissed of writing it!!!!!!!!!

Sorry mate.

 

[As Easy As Riding A Bike]

I entitled the email "Is Adam Raynor living in the same world as the rest of us?" People like him seem to come out with the same crap time and time again. She raised the point about motorists in the media compared to cyclists and how quite rightly no one would say "yes but drivers drink drive."

The problem is not so much Rayner - who is clearly an uninformed tosspot - but the news media in general, who clearly like nothing more than confrontation, in a rather pathetic attempt to spice up their ratings, and the journalists who present these programmes, who know nothing about cycling, because they're clearly too important to ride to work on a bike.

Look at the title of the video on the BBC site - "A Heated Debate". Yeah, thanks. We can't have two reasonable and informed people having a discussion about the best way to deal with cyclists' safety on the road, because that would be far too boring. Let's get a blowhard know-nothing instead, to reinforce all our petty prejudices about cycling, and make the situation of cyclists much worse.

Thanks very much.

 

[As Easy As Riding A Bike]

If anyone remembers the Jared Kelly case - the cyclist who went to court charged with assaulting a taxi driver when it turned out that, whoops, it was the taxi driver who actually assaulted him - there were, below the ES news piece about him being cleared, several comments droning on and on about the misdemeanours of other cyclists. This had nothing to do with the case in question. It seems that whenever the word "cyclist" appears in the press, cretins feel the need to appear, pointing out that some other cyclists do, on occasion, break the law.

These people are morons.

And yet the BBC are inviting just such a moron - who is doing nothing more than parroting the same tired, irrelevant bollocks - onto NATIONAL TELEVISION, under the pretence of having "a debate".

F*ck off.

 

[gaz]

F*ck off.

had to be said

 

[downfader]

If anyone remembers the Jared Kelly case - the cyclist who went to court charged with assaulting a taxi driver when it turned out that, whoops, it was the taxi driver who actually assaulted him - there were, below the ES news piece about him being cleared, several comments droning on and on about the misdemeanours of other cyclists. This had nothing to do with the case in question. It seems that whenever the word "cyclist" appears in the press, cretins feel the need to appear, pointing out that some other cyclists do, on occasion, break the law.

These people are morons.

And yet the BBC are inviting just such a moron - who is doing nothing more than parroting the same tired, irrelevant bollocks - onto NATIONAL TELEVISION, under the pretence of having "a debate".

F*ck off.

I remember that case, and I also remember flagging several libellous comments on the Standard's website. TBH I cant remember if they were removed or not. Its the same with Cairns's HGV case. The driver is proven to be guilty, yet morons get to leave irrelevant comment

Just as with the civil rights movement, the gay rights movement, who needed an empathy from those not gay and not black, we as cyclists need noncyclists to join us and stand up and say "its getting silly now!" I have seen one or two on places like the Guardian website, the Independent - but these are only people leaving comments. I think we need people like the AA and RAC to chip in and in a way in which doesnt continue the bigotry.

 

[skudupnorth]

A classic case of someone who needed to get off his massive fat @rse, get on a bike and see for himself what it's like to suffer the driving behaviour of idiots like himself when they're behind the wheel.

He's going to start needing a specally adapted car soon as he'll have trouble squeezing himself into a normal one.

What he say's ! but i was being polite LOL