Cyclists - Please stop at red lights

[Arfcollins]

Is this like asking car owners to use indicators

Does anyone here actually believe that watching for indicators on cars is a reliable way of telling what direction they are going to take? Why worry when they don't use them?

 

[Red Light]

It is relevant. No one has anything more recent that's better.

There is better data. According to TfL, in London (where RLJing is about 18%) RLJing accounts for about 2% of cyclist fatalities. Motor vehicles RLJing account for about 3% of cyclist fatalities and TfL concluded cyclists not-RLJing accounted for quite a lot more cyclist fatalities.

Allowing cyclists to RLJ to improve their safety on the roads has been debated in the House of Lords this year and Paris has now made cyclist RLJing legal to cut the cyclist death and injury rates.

So lets cut all the bullshit about RLJing being dangerous/suicidal for cyclists.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Me thinks Adrian has a Brompton too

and his mucker dell as well ...

 

[subaqua]

There is better data. According to TfL, in London (where RLJing is about 18%) RLJing accounts for about 2% of cyclist fatalities. Motor vehicles RLJing account for about 3% of cyclist fatalities and TfL concluded cyclists not-RLJing accounted for quite a lot more cyclist fatalities.

Allowing cyclists to RLJ to improve their safety on the roads has been debated in the House of Lords this year and Paris has now made cyclist RLJing legal to cut the cyclist death and injury rates.

So lets cut all the bullshit about RLJing being dangerous/suicidal for cyclists.

thats as bad a twist of statistics as using the figure of 25% of accidents are caused by drink drivers meaning 75% are by sober drivers which means its safer to drive drunk.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

There is better data. According to TfL, in London (where RLJing is about 18%) RLJing accounts for about 2% of cyclist fatalities. Motor vehicles RLJing account for about 3% of cyclist fatalities and TfL concluded cyclists not-RLJing accounted for quite a lot more cyclist fatalities.

Allowing cyclists to RLJ to improve their safety on the roads has been debated in the House of Lords this year and Paris has now made cyclist RLJing legal to cut the cyclist death and injury rates.

So lets cut all the bullshit about RLJing being dangerous/suicidal for cyclists.

How does Paris reduce a cyclist death rate of zero?

They've allowed RLJ'ing, when turning iirc, in a very specific, tiny, set of places/circumstances within Paris which already had pre-existing very specific speed restrictions, traffic calming measures etc., because it is now safe to do it there as a result..... they haven't just gone "feck it, RLJ if you want, when you want, wherever you want!'

 

[Red Light]

Just for a moment I had hoped that Red Light's contribution to a thread exhorting us to stop at Red Light's would be an assurance that we would be welcome and there would always be a cup of tea on offer.

Get off my steps!

 

[gaz]

There is better data. According to TfL, in London (where RLJing is about 18%) RLJing accounts for about 2% of cyclist fatalities. Motor vehicles RLJing account for about 3% of cyclist fatalities and TfL concluded cyclists not-RLJing accounted for quite a lot more cyclist fatalities.

The last part is not that black and white.

 

[gaz]

How does Paris reduce a cyclist death rate of zero?

They've allowed RLJ'ing, when turning iirc, in a very specific, tiny, set of places/circumstances within Paris which already had pre-existing very specific speed restrictions, traffic calming measures etc., because it is now safe to do it there as a result..... they haven't just gone "feck it, RLJ if you want, when you want, wherever you want!'

turning and going straight. but all liability is on the cyclist if a collision is caused by them going through the light.

 

[Miquel In De Rain]

Does anyone here actually believe that watching for indicators on cars is a reliable way of telling what direction they are going to take? Why worry when they don't use them?

Usually,where the wheels are pointing are a good indication.

 

[caimg]

Does anyone here actually believe that watching for indicators on cars is a reliable way of telling what direction they are going to take? Why worry when they don't use them?

I'll bite...er yes? The vast majority of cars on the road indicate and don't tend to go in the opposite direction when they do.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I watch the steering wheel and front wheels, until I see movement the light is merely an indication of intent not a promise.

 

[subaqua]

Usually,where the wheels are pointing are a good indication.

did that work for you just past Henniker point the other night? hasn't always worked for me in this locale

 

[Red Light]

How does Paris reduce a cyclist death rate of zero?

I said death and injury rates.

They've allowed RLJ'ing, when turning iirc, in a very specific, tiny, set of places/circumstances within Paris which already had pre-existing very specific speed restrictions, traffic calming measures etc., because it is now safe to do it there as a result..... they haven't just gone "feck it, RLJ if you want, when you want, wherever you want!'

It is being trialled in the 10th Arrondisement of Paris prior to being rolled out across the city if there is no rise in death and injury rates. The only special circumstances is it has to be on a road with a 30kph speed limit. It also follows a successful trials elsewhere in France.

But whatever way you want to spin it, people are talking seriously now about improving the safety of cyclists by making RLJing legal.

 

[Boris Bajic]

It is being trialled in the 10th Arrondisement of Paris prior to being rolled out across the city blah... blah.... blah... .

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Apologies for clipping away much of your post but when I saw that RLJing was going to be 'rolled out across the city', I suffered an involuntary giggle.

I've stopped giggling now and am taking this whole topic very seriously again.

Carry on everyone.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

But whatever way you want to spin it, people are talking seriously now about improving the safety of cyclists by making RLJing legal.

in 20mph zones.