Cyclists - Please stop at red lights

[Arfcollins]

I'll bite...er yes? The vast majority of cars on the road indicate and don't tend to go in the opposite direction when they do.

I'm not talking about opposite directions. I won't pull out of a side road that somone is indicating left into untiI they are just about turning in, or they are far enough away to be no danger. As for roundabouts, how many drivers do you see that start to indicate left at the exit before the one they are taking? I think the roads would actually be safer if vehicles only had right hand indicators or, failing that, none at all. Sorry this is off topic, so I'll start a new post. It will be fabulously interesting.

 

[Arfcollins]

Usually,where the wheels are pointing are a good indication.

Right on.

 

[Arfcollins]

I watch the steering wheel and front wheels, until I see movement the light is merely an indication of intent not a promise.

Right on.

 

[Red Light]

in 20mph zones.

In Paris. But the discussion in the House of Lords had no speed limits associated with it. In any case there is serious thought being given to making 20mph the norm for many urban roads.

 

[subaqua]

In Paris. But the discussion in the House of Lords had no speed limits associated with it. In any case there is serious thought being given to making 20mph the norm for many urban roads.

but sadly no seriuos thoughts about how to enforce it so it means drivers will actually obey the limit. i live in a 20 zone and its like the wacky races most days. even when driving at 20i get abuse from other drivers for going too slow, and this is past 2 , yes 2 primary schools within 300 yds of each other and a fairly large secondary.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

In Paris. But the discussion in the House of Lords had no speed limits associated with it. In any case there is serious thought being given to making 20mph the norm for many urban roads.

Where is this serious thinking being done, outside of the living rooms of a few campaigners like me? Not in West Sussex according to the cabinet member for Highways, and Director for same, on Monday.

 

[Dan_h]

Slightly OT, but I have taken to dismounting at certain lights on my commute and using the phasing to cross the junction as a pedestrian before continuing my journey. Whilst it only gets me a marginal time advantage per junction it does add up and ,more importantly IMO, allows me to clear the initial surge of traffic and the occasional wobble as I start moving.


Is this "acceptable" RLJing, or am I going straight to hell? AFAIK it is legal as long as I dismount and safe as I use the pedestrian phase to cross. Thoughts?

To be legal you don't have to wait for the pedestrian phase to cross. There is no law that says a pedestrian cannot walk accross when the lights are at red for them, it might of course be a little risky if there is a lot of traffic...

 

[Red Light]

Where is this serious thinking being done, outside of the living rooms of a few campaigners like me? Not in West Sussex according to the cabinet member for Highways, and Director for same, on Monday.

I didn't know he was considered the sole repository of serious thinking in this country. You live and learn.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

but sadly no seriuos thoughts about how to enforce it so it means drivers will actually obey the limit. i live in a 20 zone and its like the wacky races most days. even when driving at 20i get abuse from other drivers for going too slow, and this is past 2 , yes 2 primary schools within 300 yds of each other and a fairly large secondary.

but they ignored the previous 30mph limit too didn't they? They roar past ours at 40+. I think the 'it won't be enforced' line is the weakest of all counter arguments. Still waiting for Sussex Police to answer my FoI request about speeding tickets issued in 30mph zones by traffic patrols rather than static cameras.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I didn't know he was considered the sole repository of serious thinking in this country. You live and learn.

so enlighten me. where is the serious thinking being done?

edit :the cabinet member and director are two different people. you knew that right?

 

[Red Light]

but sadly no seriuos thoughts about how to enforce it so it means drivers will actually obey the limit. i live in a 20 zone and its like the wacky races most days. even when driving at 20i get abuse from other drivers for going too slow, and this is past 2 , yes 2 primary schools within 300 yds of each other and a fairly large secondary.

You could say the same of any speed limit in this country. But for the subject under discussion your point is irrelevant. Even if we accepted the Paris restriction to legal RLJing on 30kph roads, its the speed limit not the actual traffic speed which is the defining requirement.

 

[HLaB]

but sadly no seriuos thoughts about how to enforce it so it means drivers will actually obey the limit. i live in a 20 zone and its like the wacky races most days. even when driving at 20i get abuse from other drivers for going too slow, and this is past 2 , yes 2 primary schools within 300 yds of each other and a fairly large secondary.

Its not perfect but a lot of people advocate natural enforcement, designing the road so that people cant speed (tighter geometries, etc); or on an existing street you could implement traffic calming but thats not perfect; and what ever you do you'll always get some idiot

 

[Red Light]

so enlighten me. where is the serious thinking being done?

The European Parliament came out with a strong recommendation last September for 30kph limits "in all residential areas and on single-lane roads in urban areas which have no separate cycle lanes"

The last Government planned to introduce wide area 20mph zones and the current Government continues that objective.

edit :the cabinet member and director are two different people. you knew that right?

Does it matter? I really don't care whether they are one or two people but if you want people to know then perhaps you should be less ambiguous in your writing.

 

[400bhp]

The last Government planned to introduce wide area 20mph zones and the current Government continues that objective.

It is supposed to be introduced in Manchester

 

[slowmotion]

RLJing

I just pick the laws that I want to obey. I'm comfortable with that. Tomorrow, I fancy a spot of burglary.

It's my right, innit?.....