Cyclists - Please stop at red lights

[400bhp]

I just pick the laws that I want to obey. I'm comfortable with that. Tomorrow, I fancy a spot of burglary.

It's my right, innit?.....

Although you joke, in seriousness it kind of is. You choose brake the law you choose to run the risk of the consequences.

 

[I like Skol]

Oh Feck, that's 23 minutes I ain't going to get back................

 

[musa]

If you think statistics will help you've got another thing coming

Is it fair to say That this is life those one of those things?

 

[Dan B]

The last part is not that black and white.

Pretty sure the zebra crossing discussion is in a separate thread

 

[Miquel In De Rain]

did that work for you just past Henniker point the other night? hasn't always worked for me in this locale

I did actually notice the car was throwing a right.

(Actually,I thought he was overtaking for a second,not actually parking on the other side of the road.)

 

[Dan B]

thats as bad a twist of statistics as using the figure of 25% of accidents are caused by drink drivers meaning 75% are by sober drivers which means its safer to drive drunk.

I'm sure that riding Bromptons accounts for far far less than 2% of cycling fatalities, so should we all buy folding bikes or should we accept that (as i think may have been Red Light's point) this particular number tells us almost nothing useful either way?

 

[subaqua]

I jump red lights sometimes, usually it is early on Sunday morning at lights where I have clear visibility there is nothing coming and I know that I have to wait for a car to come up behind me to set off the pressure sensors that will allow me to go. I don't think that is dangerous, AND if I can wait 5 mnutes without them changing I believe I am allowed to carefully cross them so I am in effect speeding that process up a little!

1) they are not pressure sensors they are inductive loops that detect ferrous metal mass to speed up the change sequence. the lights will change in the sequence they are programmed, hence the lights turningred for no aparent reason as you approach them in acar sometimes and no other vehicles go through.
2) that is not RLJing, there is a time provision for lights being faulty , 5 minutes could be argued to be a reasonble amount of time to wait for a light change.

 

[Red Light]

I'm sure that riding Bromptons accounts for far far less than 2% of cycling fatalities, so should we all buy folding bikes or should we accept that (as i think may have been Red Light's point) this particular number tells us almost nothing useful either way?

It was not my point. It tells you that despite one in five cyclists jumping red lights, it is the cause of only one in fifty cyclist deaths and only two deaths in five years in London out of 89 deaths total. That means its not the highly dangerous activity it is being painted as. Illegal yes. Dangerous no. And as has been pointed out by the Times and TfL, not red light jumping has probably caused the deaths of many tens of women cyclists under lorries over that period in London.

I don't red light jump by the way.

 

[400bhp]

Are we all stopping at red lights now?

:tumbleweed:

Ah, no answer - must still be waiting at them.

 

[SquareDaff]

I see things kicked off nicely after I left last night!!

 

[SquareDaff]

Well if this is all just a bit of fun to you.

"Sigh"!. See previous comments in the thread! Personally, I think you have a point about Red Light jumping and not doing it BUT you won't change peoples opinions in this manner. Maybe I've been on this forum for too long - but I also know there are some people out there that will "light the blue touch paper" and stand back as long as there are people out there willing to bite!

 

[SquareDaff]

Joke

That was too subtle for me at this time of the morning! I need to wake up. Soz

 

[Dan_h]

1) they are not pressure sensors they are inductive loops that detect ferrous metal mass to speed up the change sequence. the lights will change in the sequence they are programmed, hence the lights turningred for no aparent reason as you approach them in acar sometimes and no other vehicles go through.
2) that is not RLJing, there is a time provision for lights being faulty , 5 minutes could be argued to be a reasonble amount of time to wait for a light change.

Ah, that makes sense, I wondered why jumping up and down on them made no difference!

 

[Dan B]

Ah, that makes sense, I wondered why jumping up and down on them made no difference!

An older and more pure meaning of "red light jumping"

 

[Dan B]

Ah, that makes sense, I wondered why jumping up and down on them made no difference!