Cyclists - Please stop at red lights

[Red Light]

LoL. Are you for real?

So how do you explain the fact that after all their training and testing it is drivers who are at sole fault in the overwhelming majority of cyclist injuries and deaths, not the untrained cyclists. Or how when the Australians researched it with video monitoring they found that the cyclist was cycling legally and safely in 89% of the near misses and collisions and in many of those cases the drivers were not even aware of what they had done? If training of drivers on the safety of cyclists were effective, those would not be the outcomes.

OTOH you do sound like the type of person who would stick their umbrella in cyclists spokes and give them punishment passes in a car just because you can.

 

[her_welshness]

Nah, nobody notices you if you are wearing urban camouflage

I have been thinking about this on my commute and the most blatant RLJ-ing are by people who look as if they have been cycling for years, with some f*ck off good looking bikes and all the gear as in they have a well set up bike there. I would also say it is about 90% male. I hate to be mean on your sex but there it is. And it depresses me as they look respectable and like somebody who you could go on a cycle ride with.

 

[Crankarm]

So how do you explain the fact that after all their training and testing it is drivers who are at sole fault in the overwhelming majority of cyclist injuries and deaths, not the untrained cyclists. Or how when the Australians researched it with video monitoring they found that the cyclist was cycling legally and safely in 89% of the near misses and collisions and in many of those cases the drivers were not even aware of what they had done? If training of drivers on the safety of cyclists were effective, those would not be the outcomes.

OTOH you do sound like the type of person who would stick their umbrella in cyclists spokes and give them punishment passes in a car just because you can.

Where did I write this???? Your over active imagination perhaps or since you mention it maybe something you have done which would be totally irresponsible.

 

[Red Light]

Forget motor vehicles, I think RLJing cyclists pose a major danger to OTHER cyclists and pedestrians. I don't care if they get squished by a truck, bus, car or van. Sad for the their families but their own silly fault. Feck 'em. Traffic signs and signals are in place for everyone's safety. You simply can't choose which ones to obey and which to break for your own selfish convenience.

Of course the evidence is against you. About two or three pedestrians a year are killed on the roads total by cyclists. And many of them will have stepped off the pavement into the path of the cyclist without looking. There are about 40 pedestrians a year killed by motor vehicles on pedestrian crossings alone and some 400 on the roadway in total. About one in five pedestrian deaths in urban areas is on a crossing and by a motor vehicle. Cyclists pose a miniscule danger to pedestrians in comparison.

 

[Red Light]

Where did I write this???? Your over active imagination perhaps or since you mention it maybe something you have done which would be totally irresponsible.

Well talking of doing things totally irresponsible you did write:

The best way to teach them is an umbrella through their spokes, a cheap umbrella mind.

And that is in the same class as doing a punishment pass - an action with a high probability of causing injury to get back at a cyclist. So don't try the innocent act.

 

[her_welshness]

TBH Crankarm, it is an incitement to harm cyclists. Not good form to spout putting an umbrella into spokes and then playing the innocent card.

 

[Crankarm]

Well talking of doing things totally irresponsible you did write:



And that is in the same class as doing a punishment pass - an action with a high probability of causing injury to get back at a cyclist. So don't try the innocent act.

LMAO. You are the one who is suggesting to close pass cyclists in a motor vehicle, not me. Perhaps you suggested this as you knew you have LOST the argument on this thread or maybe you have done it yourself, I don't know what turns the Redlight on. Anyway it is a feeble diversion tictac to the main issue of RLjing that you lost.

Crossing a road at a controlled junction when the red light is against the traffic ie ALL vehicles have to stop INCLUDING cyclists. The terror once you are crossing a junction having to jump for your life when faced by a yob on a bike riding at 20 mph with no regard for pedestrains or other cyclists is palpable. They deserve eveything they get for the contempt they show for road safety, other road users and pedestrians. As group cyclists need to get their house in order and start confronting these morons.

Obviously you need a day where it was raining ;@).

 

[her_welshness]

I think that we do confront them, I have to every day. Last week this included my next door neighbour who thought it was acceptable to go through three sets of red lights in New Cross. When I challenged her about it she said 'but if you are a pedestrian and there is nothing coming, then you cross don't you?' Not a good attitude. So I spoke to her landlord who is a good pal and is a cycling trainer. Then this woman with her 4 year old on her bike was routinely RLJ-ing, she was doing this for months. So I spoke to her school (the one which her child attends) about this and it has stopped. She was extremely abusive and threatening towards me, even though she was doing this in front of her own child which I found really upsetting. They deserve to be reprimanded and punished but we should not condone violence. I have come close to it, but I have to remind myself that I have to be a decent human being.

 

[Hawk]

Of course the evidence is against you. About two or three pedestrians a year are killed on the roads total by cyclists. And many of them will have stepped off the pavement into the path of the cyclist without looking. There are about 40 pedestrians a year killed by motor vehicles on pedestrian crossings alone and some 400 on the roadway in total. About one in five pedestrian deaths in urban areas is on a crossing and by a motor vehicle. Cyclists pose a miniscule danger to pedestrians in comparison.

The assertion that "many will have stepped off the pavement in to the path of the cyclist without looking" isn't necessarily helpful in comparing the numbers to vehicular injuries as a similar proportion would have stepped in front of cars (unless there is quantifiable evidence to suggest otherwise).

In any case, we can work out how safe cycling is to peds on a per-mile basis.

According to Admiral, about 267 billion miles were driven on UK roads in a year.

According to the CTC, about 3 billion miles were cycled in 2009 in the UK.

If we had about 400 pedestrian fatalities due to vehicles, this corresponds 1.5 deaths per billion miles.

If there were about two-three pedestrians killed by cyclists, we have 0.7-1.0 deaths per billion miles.

Cycling is about 1.5-2x as safe as driving but we definitely can't claim we pose a "miniscule" danger in my personal opinion

 

[Fab Foodie]

For breakfast?

I reckon she's still up from the night before ....

 

[Red Light]

LMAO. You are the one who is suggesting to close pass cyclists in a motor vehicle, not me. Perhaps you suggested this as you knew you have LOST the argument on this thread or maybe you have done it yourself, I don't know what turns the Redlight on. Anyway it is a feeble diversion tictac to the main issue of RLjing that you lost.

Crossing a road at a controlled junction when the red light is against the traffic ie ALL vehicles have to stop INCLUDING cyclists. The terror once you are crossing a junction having to jump for your life when faced by a yob on a bike riding at 20 mph with no regard for pedestrains or other cyclists is palpable. They deserve eveything they get for the contempt they show for road safety, other road users and pedestrians. As group cyclists need to get their house in order and start confronting these morons.

Obviously you need a day where it was raining ;@).

I can see where the Crank-y bit comes from

 

[subaqua]

the essential thing is to educate ALL cyclist not to stop alongside a lorry nor to stop hard against the kerb allowing a lorry to stop alongside them - and that does not mean jumping red lights

bikeability does teach that. so those who have kids that have done this in school have the next generation of cyclists prepared at least.
the comment from my 10yr old daughter as we are discussing this is-" its common sense to not go up the side of lorries anyway, best to stay behind them till they have moved "

 

[subaqua]

Perhaps the road planners who place cycle lanes and ASL feeder lanes down the inside need to be educated first. TRL PPR240 found more cyclists went up the inside if there was an ASL feeder lane there.

this is one thing i do agree on as do most cyclists is the stupidity of the law in how to access ASLs, however not all traffic lights have ASL so there must be some other reason cyclists feel the ned to go up the inside of HGVs when they are stopped at junctions

the last review of TSRGD 2002 is changing the guidance on feeder lanes. I did have a pdf of the report but i think its on the work PC.

 

[her_welshness]

bikeability does teach that. so those who have kids that have done this in school have the next generation of cyclists prepared at least.
the comment from my 10yr old daughter as we are discussing this is-" its common sense to not go up the side of lorries anyway, best to stay behind them till they have moved "

Very very cool and bloody good common sense from your diamond daughter.

 

[stowie]

LMAO. You are the one who is suggesting to close pass cyclists in a motor vehicle, not me. Perhaps you suggested this as you knew you have LOST the argument on this thread or maybe you have done it yourself, I don't know what turns the Redlight on. Anyway it is a feeble diversion tictac to the main issue of RLjing that you lost.

Crossing a road at a controlled junction when the red light is against the traffic ie ALL vehicles have to stop INCLUDING cyclists. The terror once you are crossing a junction having to jump for your life when faced by a yob on a bike riding at 20 mph with no regard for pedestrains or other cyclists is palpable. They deserve eveything they get for the contempt they show for road safety, other road users and pedestrians. As group cyclists need to get their house in order and start confronting these morons.

Obviously you need a day where it was raining ;@).

I had absolutely no idea that, when I decided to use a cycle instead of the car for some trips, that I was also signing up to police all other cyclists.