Cyclists telling from behind

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GoMild

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London
A rush hour ride in London on a straight wide road.

I glanced over my shoulder before I made a half-of-my-body-widths shift and someone yelled at me 'watch out! geez...' from behind. Apparently my practice wasn't enough for her not to be frightened.

But how can I 'watch out' my behind? Shouldn't I be mostly looking at the direction I'm travelling? When I checked over my shoulder, I didn't see her in a too-close distance. What does she want more from me? Turn around and engage in a lengthy conversation to elaborate what I'm about to do and get her written permission?

I believe it's the responsibility of whoever behind to keep a safe distance from a person ahead of them. It's the same logic as for driving, right? If a car in front suddenly braked and the one behind shunted into it, that's the fault of the one behind for not keeping enough distance.

Other time, I waited behind a van at a red light because there's not enough gap for me to going through between the van and the pavement. Then a guy behind me commanded 'excuse me!' as if I'm needlessly getting in his way. I think you shouldn't be telling people in front of you like this because you won't necessarily see all the risks. Demanding people to move away in this circumstance is the equivalent of asking others to take a risk for your convenience.

Of course, I should be considerate of other people around me, be it other cyclists or other road users. But that doesn't mean other people should demand their convenience from my behind. That's just a distraction and unsafe to everyone.

If I'm in front of them I have the right of way. People behind me should be patient and keep enough distance. Telling me to be aware of my behind or to hurry up is not the answer.

Do you have a similar experience? Or do you DO that to others? In what circumstance do you think it's safe & acceptable to yell an instruction at someone's back?

Please enlighten me. Thanks!
 

Pat "5mph"

A kilogrammicaly challenged woman
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Hello @GoMild and welcome to CC :welcome:
I get this attitude a bit, I'm a slow riding woman, maybe overcautious, but I know my commute well, know when there will be cars, pedestrian or dogs sprouting unexpected.
Well, I expect them, but other riders behind me want to go fast ... I let them.
The other day I saw a rider behind me. As I was going right I indicated, she accelerated to pass me nevertheless, saying sorry but almost hitting my indicating arm.
What can you do?
Relax and let them go ^_^
 

Shut Up Legs

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I had one on my last descent from Mt Dandenong this morning (as my Alpine training continues). I was rolling down a straight, towards a shopping strip at the bottom of the mountain, doing only just under 50km/h in a 50km/h mandatory speed limit zone, when some idiot yells 'passing!' at me and overtakes me. He had no possible justification for the overtake, given my speed.
I'll probably outlive him, if that's his typical cycling style. :rolleyes:
 
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gbb

Squire
Location
Peterborough
The 'excuse me' situation from GoMilds OP would get a shrug from me. If someone tried that I'd reply...'go ahead I'm not stopping you'...and when he replied 'I can't you're in the way'...I'd reply 'Well you'll just have to wait then won't you'
My attitude would be benign...not aggressive not confrontational, just a shrug of the shoulders kind of thing.
 
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GoMild

GoMild

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Thanks guys^_^!
What worries me most is this "everyone should please me" attitude and there are a fair amount of riders come with it.

I know if a rider ahead of me glanced on one side means they might shift their path in that direction, but some riders aren't observant enough and get frightened (then react aggressively). If I extend my arm to indicate where I'm going, some riders behind me will tell me to "watch out" as apparently my extended arm is getting in their way - ridiculous.

Just wanted to check if my understanding of 'the person ahead has the right of way' applies in these situations (yes, the principle alone won't stop those people from riding dangerously).

Nowadays if I encountered 'back-talking' riders, I turn around, point in their face and shout "you are BEHIND me!" - this seems to be enough for them to realise what they were doing, and usually they frantically pedal away with passive-aggressive remarks while I'm still shouting at their back (see? It's not nice, is it?).

I'm always extra conscious about not getting in other road users' way, and I don't get this kind of 'get out of my way' from bikers/drivers, but somehow I get fair amount from other cyclists and that really annoys me - I'm already putting maximum effort to give way to everyone and still some folks aren't pleased enough and demand me to take a risk on behalf of them.

As more and more cyclists are on the road (which is good), I think there should be more education about the right of way, not drivers vs cyclists but amongst cyclists.

My personal experience is that drivers are reasonably predictable (good or bad) whereas cyclists are getting less and less predictable as their number grows...which leaves me with a dichotomy.
 
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GoMild

GoMild

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Hi @Drago.
Not really. As I won't be bothering people in front of me whatever the reason. I consider them as a moving object that I have no chance of getting my message across, so I'll just give them enough space, wait until there's enough space for me to move away. No fuss.

Also I don't expect 100% compliance from everyone all of the time, but when there's a system to keep us all safer (rather than just a good manners or kindness), such practice should be encouraged.

What I'm experiencing is more and more people are becoming inpatient and talking to my back which has no benefit to anyone. That's my gripe! :tongue:
 
Thanks guys^_^!
What worries me most is this "everyone should please me" attitude and there are a fair amount of riders come with it.

I know if a rider ahead of me glanced on one side means they might shift their path in that direction, but some riders aren't observant enough and get frightened (then react aggressively). If I extend my arm to indicate where I'm going, some riders behind me will tell me to "watch out" as apparently my extended arm is getting in their way - ridiculous.

Just wanted to check if my understanding of 'the person ahead has the right of way' applies in these situations (yes, the principle alone won't stop those people from riding dangerously).

Nowadays if I encountered 'back-talking' riders, I turn around, point in their face and shout "you are BEHIND me!" - this seems to be enough for them to realise what they were doing, and usually they frantically pedal away with passive-aggressive remarks while I'm still shouting at their back (see? It's not nice, is it?).

I'm always extra conscious about not getting in other road users' way, and I don't get this kind of 'get out of my way' from bikers/drivers, but somehow I get fair amount from other cyclists and that really annoys me - I'm already putting maximum effort to give way to everyone and still some folks aren't pleased enough and demand me to take a risk on behalf of them.

As more and more cyclists are on the road (which is good), I think there should be more education about the right of way, not drivers vs cyclists but amongst cyclists.

My personal experience is that drivers are reasonably predictable (good or bad) whereas cyclists are getting less and less predictable as their number grows...which leaves me with a dichotomy.

Guarantee you will end up on your arse one day because of that.
Ignore anyone behind you. Simple
If turning right, check behind over shoulder, indicate and manoeuvrer, doing a lifesaver check before commiting.
 
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Welsh wheels

Lycra king
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South Wales
Fortunately I never meet enough cycle commuters on my commutes to worry about that! I'd wonder that the other cyclist was doing so close behind you - trying to slipstream you maybe? Either way, it sounds like it was their fault.
 
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GoMild

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trying to slipstream you maybe?

Probably that wasn't her intention but that's the sort of distance she was in.

Not the distance itself but the combination of inability to cope with changing circumstance and blaming the people in front is my concern.

I get some (often Lycra) guys cycling/overtaking/undertaking really close to me, but as long as they are managing their distance, I'm not that bothered.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I glanced over my shoulder before I made a half-of-my-body-widths shift and someone yelled at me 'watch out! geez...' from behind. Apparently my practice wasn't enough for her not to be frightened.

But how can I 'watch out' my behind? Shouldn't I be mostly looking at the direction I'm travelling? When I checked over my shoulder, I didn't see her in a too-close distance. What does she want more from me?
A signal. Mirror/look, signal, move. Don't just look then move, as you should be looking around often anyway.

I believe it's the responsibility of whoever behind to keep a safe distance from a person ahead of them. It's the same logic as for driving, right? If a car in front suddenly braked and the one behind shunted into it, that's the fault of the one behind for not keeping enough distance.
Sure, but if a car in front suddenly braked unnecessarily and the one behind stopped safely, they're still allowed to be slightly annoyed if the car in front showed no signal / brake light, aren't they? OK, you were changing your line rather than braking, but following drivers also get annoyed with motorists changing line/lanes without signalling and that's basically what you did.

I do keep my distance from other riders I don't know and I don't think I'd shout at them for behaviour like that, especially in London where too many people are too flaming aggressive.

The 'excuse me' situation from GoMilds OP would get a shrug from me. If someone tried that I'd reply...'go ahead I'm not stopping you'...and when he replied 'I can't you're in the way'...I'd reply 'Well you'll just have to wait then won't you'
My attitude would be benign...not aggressive not confrontational, just a shrug of the shoulders kind of thing.
My reply might well be "why, have you farted?" if I said anything, but that's unlikely to end well with that sort of aggressive rider :laugh:
 
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