Cyclists telling from behind

[GoMild]

If someone is stupid enough to try overtaking on the left in less than a metre, then good luck to them

Not the best practice, I grant you. But I'm getting used to it especially at rush hours in central London. As long as they're not colliding or shouting at me, I trust that they know what they are doing (usually they are).

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Not sure if this works for screen readers (if that's just changing the browser output while the source text remains in upper case). It's not the visual presentation but more to do with how the content is recognised by the screen reader that matters. I'm personally OK to accommodate something like this, having to work with Jaws/NVDA for a short while.

 

[mustang1]

If I'm in front of them I have the right of way. People behind me should be patient and keep enough distance

That.

 

[Banjo]

There was a similar thread here recently where a guy slowed up to avoid going up the inside of a lorry on a bend and suffered abuse from another "cyclist".

If people want to risk their lives to shave a few seconds off their ride just let them.

No way would I move to allow someone to wriggle past in that situation but if its a busy cycle route maybe you could stop a bit further back to allow idiots to risk their own lives without hindrance.

Indicating right without looking first is never a good idea you could cause a serious pile up .

 

[Drago]

If people want to risk their own lives they can go nuts, just so long as they leave me out of it

 

[Phil Fouracre]

All very confusing! Don't really see any problem, just ignore them, as has been said, they are behind you! Ride 'normally' :-) I tend to ride as per driving a vehicle, allowing space/time to stop, try to anticipate what anyone's going to do, and assume that everyone's out to kill me - worked fine for forty years! Even I'd be a bit scared though, 8" from the kerb, bloody dangerous!!

 

[GoMild]

Don't really see any problem,

I just wanted to see if I misunderstood the base right of way rule - turned out to be I understood OK. (Though I know it won't be 100% adhered by everyone )

I tend to ride as per driving a vehicle

Agree. But somehow I find different dynamics when riding amongst a group of cyclists *when there's no other vehicles* - like undertaking, I won't complain and usually other riders don't complain if I undertook, as all of us are too busy rushing to get through the next traffic light.

8" from the kerb, bloody dangerous!!

My mantra is that kerb-hugging must be inconsequential to the pedestrian. If I saw pedestrians closer to the kerb, I go slower/give space so that my presence should not make them change their standing position. Even then I anticipate they might jump into my path suddenly. I keep an eye on anything that moves on the pavement ahead, including kids & dogs w/o a leash (for both!).

 

[Tanis8472]

If I'm in front of them I have the right of way. People behind me should be patient and keep enough distance

That.

Again, wrong.
There is no such thing as "right of way".
Look up the highway code.

Second part yes they should

 

[Tanis8472]

[QUOTE="GoMild, post: 4847487, member: 50535"]I just wanted to see if I misunderstood the base right of way rule - turned out to be I understood OK. (Though I know it won't be 100% adhered by everyone )


Agree. But somehow I find different dynamics when riding amongst a group of cyclists *when there's no other vehicles* - like undertaking, I won't complain and usually other riders don't complain if I undertook, as all of us are too busy rushing to get through the next traffic light.


My mantra is that kerb-hugging must be inconsequential to the pedestrian. If I saw pedestrians closer to the kerb, I go slower/give space so that my presence should not make them change their standing position. Even then I anticipate they might jump into my path suddenly. I keep an eye on anything that moves on the pavement ahead, including kids & dogs w/o a leash (for both!).[/QUOTE]

No such thing as right of way here. So dont get hung up about it
I guess you are not originally from the UK, thats an american term

 

[Tanis8472]

Oh and can someone please change the title.
I presume you mean yelling, not telling. Its confusing me LOL

 

[400bhp]

It's a good cycling skill to be able to stay on your line and, if moving off it, glance back.

I'd personally take it as a learning point on my behalf. I'd be questioning why I moved off my line. Sometimes it's fairly unavoidable, but with improved observational skills over time, the amount of times you do it should reduce.

 

[GoMild]

@Tanis8472,
> change the title
I'm afraid I don't know if I can change the thread title! (Yup, English isn't my 1st language - apologies in advance )

The closest for the cyclist is in the Rule 66 of the UK highway code.
UK highway code:
Rule 66
You should

• keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear
• keep both feet on the pedals
• never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
• not ride close behind another vehicle

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82

From vehicle accident cases in the UK: "It is rare for the shunter to be held totally blameless." So, although the vehicle in front could be partly blamed for negligence in some cases, in majority cases the main responsibility comes down on the shunter than the shuntee.
https://www.injurylawyers4u.co.uk/2...hunt-is-the-following-driver-always-to-blame/

OK, the exact term "right of way" may not be used, but just because there's no written law that doesn't mean there's no such practice exists amongst cyclists. This practice makes good sense and although there's no legal power to force riders to adhere to it, it is a good idea that everyone can benefit from it.

 

[mustang1]

Again, wrong.
There is no such thing as "right of way".
Look up the highway code.

Second part yes they should

Fair enough.

 

[mjr]

OK, the exact term "right of way" may not be used, but just because there's no written law that doesn't mean there's no such practice exists amongst cyclists. This practice makes good sense and although there's no legal power to force riders to adhere to it, it is a good idea that everyone can benefit from it.

No, it's really not a good idea. Using the term "right of way" can mislead people into thinking that they've got some sort of actual right to ride like a muppet just because their wheel is ahead or the paint says so or whatever.

If you must refer to the who-should-go-first concept, use the term "precedence" which actually appears in English law, or "priority" which appears in the Highway Code (mainly to tell you that you ain't got it IIRC!).

ETA: use the "Thread Tools" menu (top-right on the page for me) and pick "Edit Title" to edit the title.

 

[Shut Up Legs]

A while back on an audax a train of club riders came up behind me and called "on your right". Fair enough. But actually this was an instruction "Move to your left onto the horrific potholed bit of road, so we can pass on the nice bit". I decided to stay on the nice tarmac, and wait til after the upcoming bend before deciding what to do, cue more angry shouting of "on your right" (="get out of our way"). After the bend they were able to overtake me safely, and I didn't have to ride on the bad surface. I must have delayed them for 30 seconds. Who knows, if I hadn't been so obstructive, they might have won the Audax

I had that last week. I was riding up a mountain road, and one of those weekend bunch rides approached from behind. I heard "Passing right", then the same again, only louder. I don't know what the heck they wanted me to do, since I was as far left as I wanted to be. I guess it's evidence that some road users can be self-centred idiots, regardless of their mode of transport.

 

[mjr]

I heard "Passing right", then the same again, only louder. I don't know what the heck they wanted me to do, since I was as far left as I wanted to be.

Acknowledge that you've heard them, probably, to make them more comfortable that you're not about to move right without signalling like some cyclists do. A single short wave usually works fine, as does looking round and saying hello (if the road conditions permit and you can look round while holding your line).

I do wonder if some cyclists just react badly to anyone trying to start any sort of conversation, even a purely functional one.