Do people like me give cyclists a bad name? If so, sorry

[deptfordmarmoset]

I did edit that post to acknowledge this latter point. I think we can agree on this one DMST

Cool, we can share the road then!

 

[Linford]

You forgot one Linf...

Not much chance of me driving one of those in the near future Smeggers, I'd be terrified of bending it when I take it off road, and wouldn't want to pay for either the VED, or devaluation. My old bus is 20 years old now. Even the Pikeys don't drive them any more (they are onto the X5's now )

Anyway, shouldn't they be called a 'WanksVagen' if made in Germeny ?

 

[Linford]

Cool, we can share the road then!

That was always the case Mister

 

[kevin_cambs_uk]

Would not give it another thought mate, I don't see many motorists promoting good driving because some of them are cocks.
I just think when we go to war with Iran and petrol goes to over £2.00 a litre, and then who will be laughing

 

[Linford]

Would not give it another thought mate, I don't see many motorists promoting good driving because some of them are cocks.
I just think when we go to war with Iran and petrol goes to over £2.00 a litre, and then who will be laughing

Nobody, if fuel rises to that price, the Duty will be substantially reduced, and everyone without exception will be affected by it. We all have to eat at the end of the day. The world runs on oil, and the value of every service provided, and every item moved will rise.

 

[dellzeqq]

you did nout wrong mate think he was just being a billy big balls in his big 4x4 ignore him and enjoy cycling mate.

quite so!

 

[GrumpyGregry]

The people who drive like cocks in a 4x4 are likely to do so in any vehicle they get into, but then that can be said for any and all irrespective of how they move about. Big Merc, Audi or BMW 4x4 definitely fit the 4x4 description (apart from the G-Wagon)

I'm an ex-petrolhead and thus like an ex-smoker ranting about the evil weed I have strong opinons on our theme.

Wankpanzers, whichever/how ever models are defined as such, are the metal and plastic embodiments of an image conscious, conspicuous consumption, "We are considerably richer than yew!" status driven, car culture gone absolutely mad. They are unnecessary, superfluous and serve only to bolster the fragile egos of their operators.

Those who drive them are squarely in the "sorry but you're bit of a cock, mate" category regardless of how well they drive from the moment they pick up the keys. The same cock in say, a Fiat twin-air, or a Morris Minor, etc., at least redeems themselves by consuming considerably less of the planet's resources. Though I understand that ownership of said vehicles may have a hugely detrimental effect on their ability to maintain an erection.

 

[kevin_cambs_uk]

Nobody, if fuel rises to that price, the Duty will be substantially reduced, and everyone without exception will be affected by it. We all have to eat at the end of the day. The world runs on oil, and the value of every service provided, and every item moved will rise.

I agree the world does run on oil, but probably the most valuable commosity we have, we just burn it in a combustable engine to propel ourselves along.
People will look back and think we were mad to just burn such a valuable thing. It should be priced on its true value, then we may use it more wisely.

 

[Bicycle]

Gosh, I love the way debates swivel, turn and change shape in this forum, like a black cloud of starlings gathering for a long flight.

This one has gone from an offered apology to a comedy hack at large 4x4s.

I love the idea of redemption by virtue of a Morris Minor or a Twin Air. An outsider reading some of the comments here might be hard pressed to distinguish between contempt and envy.

I#ve never owned a large 4x4, although I used to have to use them for work. I wouldn't dream of buying one as they are expensive and ill-suited to our needs, but I'm not sure about the merit of writing off the mortal soul of anyone who does.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Gosh, I love the way debates swivel, turn and change shape in this forum, like a black cloud of starlings gathering for a long flight.

This one has gone from an offered apology to a comedy hack at large 4x4s.

I love the idea of redemption by virtue of a Morris Minor or a Twin Air. An outsider reading some of the comments here might be hard pressed to distinguish between contempt and envy.

I#ve never owned a large 4x4, although I used to have to use them for work. I wouldn't dream of buying one as they are expensive and ill-suited to our needs, but I'm not sure about the merit of writing off the mortal soul of anyone who does.

Only a fool, and possibly one with a very limited understanding of the meaning of the word 'redeem', would confuse my position of utter contempt for wankpanzers with one of envy.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

OK LyB, what would you do here?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en-GB&geocode=&q=Madeira Drive, Brighton&aq=1&oq=madeira drive&sll=50.817432,-0.124626&sspn=0.108237,0.300751&vpsrc=0&gl=uk&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Madeira Dr, Brighton BN2 1EN, United Kingdom&t=m&layer=c&cbll=50.824453,-0.170353&panoid=HFzWZd0kxvuErjHVgkaQPg&cbp=12,291.79,,0,4.52&ll=50.824441,-0.170159&spn=0.000027,0.018797&z=16

There's a red car parked on your side and two vehicles oncoming, so would you "give way to oncoming vehicles before passing parked vehicles or other obstructions on your side of the road"?

Of course not, the road is wide enough for all and there is no need for anyone to "give way". As the OP stated that he was on his side of the road and the other driver was on his, why should the OP need to give way? My addition to the HC rule was intended to clarify "give way".

I suggest you write to HMSO and correct them.

 

[Bicycle]

Only a fool, and possibly one with a very limited understanding of the meaning of the word 'redeem', would confuse my position of utter contempt for wankpanzers with one of envy.

Gosh.... Ummm.... I was kidding. I feel very bad now, but also slightly belittled and publicly humiliated.

As you suggest, I am a fool. Further to which, I have very limited understanding of three words, as follows and in that order:

1. Materialschlacht (possibly German)
2. Poverenje (possibly Serbian)
3. Redeem (possibly English).

Most other words known to man do not present a problem to me but these three (for reasons I do not know) are a complete bastard.

I will try harder. I'm glad that you don't appear to take yourself too seriously or have some sort of screw loose about large road vehicles. I'd be a little worried if I thought you did. Cripes! That was a close one...

 

[siadwell]

I suggest you write to HMSO and correct them.

Just answer the question.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Just answer the question.

Oh now you want ME to answer it! I thought you had answered it for me with "of course not" , this being in line with your policy of knowing what people should be writing. If we are doing the "Just answer the question" bit, could you tell me if you are still considering your answer(s) to my previous questions, or are we at the stage where you demand answers but brush aside the ones you don't want to answer?

 

[Linford]

I'm an ex-petrolhead and thus like an ex-smoker ranting about the evil weed I have strong opinons on our theme.

Wankpanzers, whichever/how ever models are defined as such, are the metal and plastic embodiments of an image conscious, conspicuous consumption, "We are considerably richer than yew!" status driven, car culture gone absolutely mad. They are unnecessary, superfluous and serve only to bolster the fragile egos of their operators.

Those who drive them are squarely in the "sorry but you're bit of a cock, mate" category regardless of how well they drive from the moment they pick up the keys. The same cock in say, a Fiat twin-air, or a Morris Minor, etc., at least redeems themselves by consuming considerably less of the planet's resources. Though I understand that ownership of said vehicles may have a hugely detrimental effect on their ability to maintain an erection.

The problem as I see it is, the use of the term 4x4 to describe all ownership of 4x4's, is the very same derogatory broad brush which is used to label every single person who has ever swung a leg over a bicycle.

You, me or anyone else have honestly no idea of the usage of the vehicle, and so are just guessing as to its planet consuming credentials, and without that information, makes your assertions on them as owners, as superficial as you claim them to be. They may only do 2000 miles a year in it, and the Moggy minor owner may do 20,000 with old and dirty engines or a rep doing 50k in a Prius by comparison.

The reality is that 'Planet consuming lifestyles' are relative to where you live and that will most likely have little to do with how you choose to move around. Getting hung up about this isn't going to change the outcome.

As for the ability to raise an erection, unless you have a partner to share your magnificent manhood with, there is a real risk that one might become a frustrated 4x4