Do people like me give cyclists a bad name? If so, sorry

[400bhp]

What an odd thread diversion.

 

[Schooner]

Wow, quite a response. I love this CC place!

Well in an effort to draw a line under this I saw Herr 4x4 this morning and gave him a friendly wave. Although we were on different sides of the road, it was dark and the closing speed was probably 40 mph I guess he gave me a cheeky wee wink back.

All is harmonious on the roads again!

 

[400bhp]

The problem as I see it is, the use of the term 4x4 to describe all ownership of 4x4's, is the very same derogatory broad brush which is used to label every single person who has ever swung a leg over a bicycle.

You, me or anyone else have honestly no idea of the usage of the vehicle, and so are just guessing as to its planet consuming credentials, and without that information, makes your assertions on them as owners, as superficial as you claim them to be. They may only do 2000 miles a year in it, and the Moggy minor owner may do 20,000 with old and dirty engines or a rep doing 50k in a Prius by comparison.

The reality is that 'Planet consuming lifestyles' are relative to where you live and that will most likely have little to do with how you choose to move around. Getting hung up about this isn't going to change the outcome.

As for the ability to raise an erection, unless you have a partner to share your magnificent manhood with, there is a real risk that one might become a frustrated 4x4

Of course you're right, but one has to use stereotypes whan talking in the generality. We don't/shouldn't need to use caveat emptor every time we write, unfortunately on t'internet people aren't intelligent enough to distinguish between generality and singularity (another generalisation there).

In general, 4x4 drivers are a particular subset of a certain type of people.

 

[BentMikey]

I don't need to know that you drive a 4x4 to know a certain something about you already, Linford.

 

[Linford]

I don't need to know that you drive a 4x4 to know a certain something about you already, Linford.

I'll try not to rise to your toying with me Mikey

 

[Bicycle]

I'll tell you what I don't like about 4x4 drivers.... There are sixteen of them and there's only one of me.

 

[Bicycle]

The problem as I see it is, the use of the term 4x4 to describe all ownership of 4x4's, is the very same derogatory broad brush which is used to label every single person who has ever swung a leg over a bicycle.

+1

That is not unlike the sound of a nail being hit on the head.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

The problem as I see it is, the use of the term 4x4 to describe all ownership of 4x4's, is the very same derogatory broad brush which is used to label every single person who has ever swung a leg over a bicycle.

Bless. Touch a nerve did I?

A Land Rover 80/110/Defender, not a 4x4, a Lada Niva, not a 4x4, a Fiat Panda 4x4, not a 4x4, a Series I Range Rover, not a 4x4, a Willys MB, not a 4x4, insert incredibly long boring list of all 4x4's that aren't wankpanzers here, the Ford (the new Ranger is a gem), Toyota, Nissan, and Tata 4x4's I buy for work and export all over the 3rd world for humanitarian purposes, not a 4x4 amongst them.

Overwhelming majority of current German marque SUV luxury 4x4s? Wankpanzers. The clue is in the nickname. Utterly unnecessary motor vehicles, completely ott, and a total waste of resources even if only driven cock all per year.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Gosh.... Ummm.... I was kidding.

Really, though? An outsider reading some of your comments here might be hard pressed to distinguish between humour and stupidity.

 

[G-Zero]

I'm an ex-petrolhead and thus like an ex-smoker ranting about the evil weed I have strong opinons on our theme.

Wankpanzers, whichever/how ever models are defined as such, are the metal and plastic embodiments of an image conscious, conspicuous consumption, "We are considerably richer than yew!" status driven, car culture gone absolutely mad. They are unnecessary, superfluous and serve only to bolster the fragile egos of their operators.

Those who drive them are squarely in the "sorry but you're bit of a cock, mate" category regardless of how well they drive from the moment they pick up the keys. The same cock in say, a Fiat twin-air, or a Morris Minor, etc., at least redeems themselves by consuming considerably less of the planet's resources. Though I understand that ownership of said vehicles may have a hugely detrimental effect on their ability to maintain an erection.

Greg,

Why am I not surprised that you are the Cockwomble finder's General !!

 

[Bicycle]

Really, though? An outsider reading some of your comments here might be hard pressed to distinguish between humour and stupidity.

I can't claim to be funny. I just said I was kidding. As you've already noted, kidding and humour are rarely present at the same location. I am certainly stupid. That verdict was returned many years ago and no appeal was lodged. Your accusation comes late sir.

But if we can be serious for just a nanosecond.... You really do feel some sort of enmity towards the drivers of large 4x4s, don't you?

I had a peep back at your earlier post on the topic and with my hand on my heart I do catch the slightest aroma of envy. I just don't go in for this vilification of road users according to the vehicle they drive. It's a little too angry and a little too close to covetousness for my cheery soul.

I like to swan amiably along the roads being lovely to everyone. If you want to hold other road users in contempt because of what they choose to drive, I think that's sweet.

But it's not for me.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I can't claim to be funny. I just said I was kidding. As you've already noted, kidding and humour are rarely present at the same location. I am certainly stupid. That verdict was returned many years ago and no appeal was lodged. Your accusation comes late sir.

But if we can be serious for just a nanosecond.... You really do feel some sort of enmity towards the drivers of large 4x4s, don't you?

I had a peep back at your earlier post on the topic and with my hand on my heart I do catch the slightest aroma of envy. I just don't go in for this vilification of road users according to the vehicle they drive. It's a little too angry and a little too close to covetousness for my cheery soul.

I like to swan amiably along the roads being lovely to everyone. If you want to hold other road users in contempt because of what they choose to drive, I think that's sweet.

But it's not for me.

Yawn. See my response to Linford. No I don't feel any enmity towards the drivers of large 4x4's. Only the drivers of wankpanzers. Based on my observation, which is extensive, seeing as there are many of the blighted things around here, of how they tend to drive. Which is generally quite badly. Which is generally with a certain arrogance and sense of entitlement. Which includes a contempt for other road users. Which smacks of their having fallen for the marketing campaigns. Which smacks of a lack of understanding of the consequences of said 4x4 colliding with another more vulnerable road user, be they on foot, on a bicycle, a motorbike or in a less massive, with the emphasis on 'mass', vehicle.

How envy smells round yours I couldn't say. Overpowering whiff of WD40 round here as I've been fettling the cockpit on my mtb. No financial reason why I could not own and run a 4x4 if I wanted to. I prefer to spend my money on bikes, good wine, good food and good people.

How you vilify other folk in your real life beyond cycling forums and the faux too-goody-two-shoes-to-be-true image you affect in here is up to you. Butter melts in my mouth but clearly not in yours. I think that's sweet.

But it's not for me.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Based on my observation, which is extensive, seeing as there are many of the blighted things around here, of how they tend to drive. Which is generally quite badly. Which is generally with a certain arrogance and sense of entitlement. Which includes a contempt for other road users. Which smacks of their having fallen for the marketing campaigns. Which smacks of a lack of understanding of the consequences of said 4x4 colliding with another more vulnerable road user, be they on foot, on a bicycle, a motorbike or in a less massive, with the emphasis on 'mass', vehicle.

I would suggest that this sort of owner/driver understands exactly the consequences of colliding with another more vunerable road user, however they are only concerned about the outcome from one perspective, theirs. They know the vehicle is massively ( in the same seanse you use) over their day to day requirements but they are buying safety by the kilo and screw anyone else.

The way to define a "4x4" is

Were they making 4x4s when no one ever drove a Gwagen who wasn't in the German Army?

Does it have a towhitch?




No to either is potential wanlpanzer terriitory.

No to both is a definate.

 

[400bhp]

If I could be arsed I'd write a book about internet forums.

 

[400bhp]

I would suggest that this sort of owner/driver understands exactly the consequences of colliding with another more vunerable road user, however they are only concerned about the outcome from one perspective, theirs. They know the vehicle is massively ( in the same seanse you use) over their day to day requirements but they are buying safety by the kilo and screw anyone else.

The way to define a "4x4" is

Were they making 4x4s when no one ever drove a Gwagen who wasn't in the German Army?

Does it have a towhitch?




No to either is potential wanlpanzer terriitory.

No to both is a definate.

I think you're reading too much into a person's decision to buy such a vehicle.

You've given them far too much credit.

Most people don't think too hard when buying any "want" item.