Do young gurls drink too?

[Crankarm]

No, that's very true, and I accept the point about the father - hence the use of the term 'parent' rather than mother in my post. However, I still don't think anyone would argue that someone not 'tapping into the maternal (or paternal) wellspring of fundamental duties' is an excuse why any decent human would leave a child outside a nightclub whilst inside drinking!

Your reply for me hits upon the underlying problem IMHO though - it's far, far to easy for people nowadays to have children when they aren't ready morally, financially, emotionally or otherwise to support them.

+1.

As Dylan Moran says couples spend more time choosing a toaster than deciding about when, where, whether or if they can afford to have kids.

 

[Crankarm]

I don't fancy getting technical about it but by becoming a parent, it doesn't necessarily mean that people can tap into their maternal well spring of fundamental duties and as Tilly points out - where was the dad in all of this and why no decrying of his paternal responsibilities...there is such a difference in how men and women are perceived.

As far as I know in this case he wasn't in the bar with the mother getting plastered. He may have been in another bar or pub ........... Maybe the woman doesn't want the father around. Many sadly don't. But this is a little OT from my original OP is it not?

But tt in your many posts you have done everything but address the issue of why women particularly young women choose to binge drink. Are you such a woman by any chance who likes to drink? I must admit if you are a proper cyclist this would be most improbable but stranger things have happened. Perhaps you could share with us your thoughts on this very specific issue. Really I would love your to read your thoughts. Or are you going to maintain that I am sexist and defend a woman's right to get smashed just like a man's? But why tt? Come on now pretty much everyone else has made a reasonable go at putting forward an explanation or their experiences. Did you do this in your teenage years or do you have a rebellious teenage daughter who has taken to drink?

 

[ttcycle]

Hi crank

I don't really drink much at all- very infrequently and I have no children. So that's both your theories blown out of the water.

What people drink and how much is up to them. I'mnot going to moralise and judge others on that if that's what you're asking me to do.
Both genders drink to varying amounts but there is a culture in the UK of binge drinking. You would have to ask binge drinkers why they do it and I'm sure you'll get complex and varied answers.

As for your posts being of traditional sexist values I still stand by that.

 

[ttcycle]

There are so many assumptions you make crank that are full of 'tradition'. It isn't worth pointing it out any more as clearly you're not into answering questions that have been asked of you that stemmed from the first page.

For the record, binge drinking has never been much my thing so I'mnot defending a personal cause (apart from one of feminism of course)

 

[Crankarm]

Hi crank

I don't really drink much at all- very infrequently and I have no children. So that's both your theories blown out of the water.

What people drink and how much is up to them. I'mnot going to moralise and judge others on that if that's what you're asking me to do.
Both genders drink to varying amounts but there is a culture in the UK of binge drinking. You would have to ask binge drinkers why they do it and I'm sure you'll get complex and varied answers.

As for your posts being of traditional sexist values I still stand by that.

Traditional values does not equal sexist views.

You don't say there is a culture of binge drinking in the UK ..................

Very slurred and a nose full of alcohol answers is the type of likely responses such as:

" 'ere we go, 'ere we go!"

"I'm going to throw up!"

" I luv you"

hic

You have stead fastly refused to address the issues I raise. So if you were the mother of either of these girls in my OP would you be ever so slightly concerned or even angry at their drunkness? Would you be grateful that some one was concerned for their safety as they had clearly not been?

The police spend such a lot of their time making sure drunk young people and older, lets not be ageist now, are safe in town centres up and down the UK on pretty much every friday and saturday night of the year and for those that end up in difficulties and trouble sorting out who has done what and what should happen. Also hospital A&E units are inundated with those who are brought in because they are absolutely paralytic and those who are victims of assaults.

My original OP still stands why two young girls/women feel the need to drink to such excess that they risk the above?

 

[Canrider]

spilled alcopops?

 

[vernon]

The problem with the original post was the signal to noise ratio. Crankarm's core concern was wrapped in irrelevant comments and sentiments which have proved to be a major distraction.

 

[TheDoctor]

Whys this thread gone sticky?

Finger trouble, I suspect. I've unstickied it.
Problem with CC onna mobile is, the damn buttons are all so small...

 

[just jim]

No, that's very true, and I accept the point about the father - hence the use of the term 'parent' rather than mother in my post. However, I still don't think anyone would argue that someone not 'tapping into the maternal (or paternal) wellspring of fundamental duties' is an excuse why any decent human would leave a child outside a nightclub whilst inside drinking!

Your reply for me hits upon the underlying problem IMHO though - it's far, far to easy for people nowadays to have children when they aren't ready morally, financially, emotionally or otherwise to support them.

"Darling?"
"Yes Dear?"
"I've opened up Excel and checked the spreadsheet (fnrr). It looks as if we are now in a postion both morally, financially and indeed emotionally to proceed with the baby-making. It's taken considerable preparation on both our parts but I think we are now "go"!
"Oh darling that's wonderful news!"

Cos that's how it is with humans...

 

[CopperCyclist]

"Darling?"
"Yes Dear?"
"I've opened up Excel and checked the spreadsheet (fnrr). It looks as if we are now in a postion both morally, financially and indeed emotionally to proceed with the baby-making. It's taken considerable preparation on both our parts but I think we are now "go"!
"Oh darling that's wonderful news!"

Cos that's how it is with humans...

As opposed to the fictitious scenario above, I was thinking the problem actually lay in the opposite scenario. Young girls having unprotected sex and becoming pregnant far too young and too early. I still remember dealing with a sixteen year old that had a one year old son, who gave her occupation as 'unemployed' (understandable). However when asked by my colleague making conversation what she wanted to do career wise, she replied "I want some twins next". She genuinely saw getting pregnant and surviving on the benefits that brought as her future. She argued somewhat successfully that it would get her a house and cash, so why wasn't 'being a mother' a job?

Difference between our scenarios is mine happens far too often.

 

[just jim]

"Your" scenario is nothing more than a judgement call. It's her business, they are her children.

 

[theclaud]

Traditional values does not equal sexist views.

[...]

You have stead fastly refused to address the issues I raise. So if you were the mother of either of these girls in my OP would you be ever so slightly concerned or even angry at their drunkness? Would you be grateful that some one was concerned for their safety as they had clearly not been?

The police spend such a lot of their time making sure drunk young people and older, lets not be ageist now, are safe in town centres up and down the UK on pretty much every friday and saturday night of the year and for those that end up in difficulties and trouble sorting out who has done what and what should happen. Also hospital A&E units are inundated with those who are brought in because they are absolutely paralytic and those who are victims of assaults.

My original OP still stands why two young girls/women feel the need to drink to such excess that they risk the above?

It still stands as exactly the same heap of puritan sexist crap it was when you posted it - the only "issues" it raises are your own issues. Still, at least you are a walking advertisement for the merits of getting completely trolleyed.

And we still don't know what a "gurl" is. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain the term?

 

[Canrider]

And we still don't know what a "gurl" is. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain the term?

Maybe it's g-URL, possibly the kind of lady one finds on 'those' websites..?

 

[theclaud]

Maybe it's g-URL, possibly the kind of lady one finds on 'those' websites..?

Quiet! Crankarm is mansplainin' about The Problem With Young Women Today.

 

[Crackle]

You are lucky that this will have to wait, as I'm about to nip off over the Black Mountain.

Is this where your Still is?