Driver confrontation question

[gaz]

Where's there an assault Gaz?

I should have made it clear that the example was not in relation to my last comment but the topic as a whole.

 

[Crankarm]

Not wishing to defend the driver but: he did not do that. The pedestrian was still on the pavement and from the highway code: - one foot on the crossing obliges the driver to stop, standing waiting on the pavement does not. The pedestrian stopped and looked while the car was within the zig-zags, should he have been going slower, probably, but to stop would have required sharp braking


Later in the video, the cyclist drops the card through the car window while undertaking at speed (the video is slowed) on the zig-zags of a pedestrian crossing, and actually posts the card while undrtaking on the crossing

HWC states for drivers of vehicles:

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Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing

• look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross
• you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing
• allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads
• do not wave or use your horn to invite pedestrians across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching
• be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing

A zebra crossing with a central island is two separate crossings (see Rule 20).

IMO the pedestrian was in such a position that he had begun to cross. The driver of the vehicle should have stopped. Period.

Also:

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You MUST NOT park on a crossing or in the area covered by the zig-zag lines. You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians.


[Laws ZPPPCRGD regs 18, 20 & 24, RTRA sect 25(5) & TSRGD regs 10, 27 & 28]

The car driver overtook cyclist Traffic Zoid who was in the zigzag area prior to the crossing and slowing down to stop. The road was narrow. There were two amber flashing beacons either side of the road. I would class this as potentially dangerous driving. What if the man crossing was partially sighted or hard of hearing/deaf?


The driver of the car is a menace. I still wouldn't have pursued it as did Traffic Zoid. He is asking for trouble.

 

[Crankarm]

I should have made it clear that the example was not in relation to my last comment but the topic as a whole.

An assault on the minds of reasonable rational people .

 

[sabian92]

I'll usually only row with professional drivers (taxi etc) because it's their job on the line if they get too mouthy or hit me (So they won't do it), or women. Sounds bad but generally women tend not to get so physically abusive, and if they do they're smaller than me. You all know you do it even subconsciously - you don't pick a fight with a big fella if you don't have to.

I know it's a waste of time but it makes me feel better that because they've done something to piss somebody off so I've done the same back.

 

[Hip Priest]

I'll usually only row with professional drivers (taxi etc) because it's their job on the line if they get too mouthy or hit me (So they won't do it), or women. Sounds bad but generally women tend not to get so physically abusive, and if they do they're smaller than me. You all know you do it even subconsciously - you don't pick a fight with a big fella if you don't have to.

I know it's a waste of time but it makes me feel better that because they've annoyed me I've done the same back.

I think it is human nature to choose weaker targets. But next time you're about to shout at a woman, just ask yourself 'Would I be doing this if she was a bloke?'. If the answer is no, then rein it in.

 

[Moodyman]

I'll usually only row with professional drivers (taxi etc) because it's their job on the line if they get too mouthy or hit me (So they won't do it), or women. Sounds bad but generally women tend not to get so physically abusive, and if they do they're smaller than me. You all know you do it even subconsciously - you don't pick a fight with a big fella if you don't have to.

I know it's a waste of time but it makes me feel better that because they've annoyed me I've done the same back.

Dishing abuse to the weaker gender is acceptable because they can't hit you back?

Jeez, you're a tough guy ain't you?

 

[Hip Priest]

Dishing abuse to the weaker gender is acceptable because they can't hit you back?

Jeez, you're a tough guy ain't you?

I think it's very honest of him. I think most of us are similar - for example, would Magnatom have confronted that woman if she had three bodybuilders in the car? Probably not. However, it isn't a very attractive characteristic, so I'd advise Sabian (and anyone else) to keep the tendency to pick weaker targets under control.

 

[Crankarm]

I think it is human nature to choose weaker targets. But next time you're about to shout at a woman, just ask yourself 'Would I be doing this if she was a bloke?'. If the answer is no, then rein it in.

Or put another way, would you be happy that some bloke spoke to your daughter, Mum, sister, gf or SWMBO like that?

 

[Moodyman]

I think it's very honest of him. I think most of us are similar - for example, would Magnatom have confronted that woman if she had three bodybuilders in the car? Probably not. However, it isn't a very attractive characteristic, so I'd advise Sabian (and anyone else) to keep the tendency to pick weaker targets under control.

Yes, I've seen videos of him screaming (Yes, he does that) at big blokes to pull over so he could give them a verbal shake down.

 

[sabian92]

Dishing abuse to the weaker gender is acceptable because they can't hit you back?

Jeez, you're a tough guy ain't you?

I never said I'd hit a woman. I said I'd argue with one and seeing how most women argue, they give better than most men.

I think it's very honest of him. I think most of us are similar - for example, would Magnatom have confronted that woman if she had three bodybuilders in the car? Probably not. However, it isn't a very attractive characteristic, so I'd advise Sabian (and anyone else) to keep the tendency to pick weaker targets under control.

Which I do. I don't solely pick people to pick on because they're smaller or weaker than me, male or female.

Or put another way, would you be happy that some bloke spoke to your daughter, Mum, sister, gf or SWMBO like that?

Would you be happy if some mouthy woman gobbed off at your son or husband?

 

[Crankarm]

Yes, I've seen videos of him screaming (Yes, he does that) at big blokes to pull over so he could give them a verbal shake down.

That's just Magnatomic ....... .

 

[Moodyman]

I never said I'd hit a woman. I said I'd argue with one and seeing how most women argue, they give better than most men.

Don't do it. It's not nice and besides, you'll never win.

 

[Dan B]

The car driver overtook cyclist Traffic Zoid who was in the zigzag area prior to the crossing

IIRC the actual law (not the HC summary) says motor vehicle here, not just vehicle

https://www.cyclechat.net/

 

[PK99]

HWC states for drivers of vehicles:




IMO the pedestrian was in such a position that he had begun to cross. The driver of the vehicle should have stopped. Period.

highway code:
you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing


attached still shows that your opinion is at variance with the facts

 

[chillyuk]

It did cross my mind at this point to go and have a word with the driver but I didn't have the courage for it and would not be sure how to handle the situation if it escalated. The thing is, in your opinion should I have gone and said something?

You answered your own question, and if that is your feeling then the sensible way to deal with it. No point being in the right but with a split lip or worse.