Driverless cars on UK roads soon.

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shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
What about driverless cars trying to get out of a side turning onto a major/busy road. Will the car wait forever for a gap, or will it be programmed to barge out in front of the traffic like normal drivers do.
that is a worry, if the driverless cars can communicate with one another and zipper into traffic, German style merging, whilst those cyclists that filter queues kerbside are merrily doing so, there could be some very rapid braking moments required by the bike, or the traffic could grind to a stop as the emerging car sensor picks up an approaching bike/pedestrian and waits, while the car that is letting it in still waits for it to emerge.

all supposition. and decades away before we're not a mixed up hash of auto & driven vehicles. If they are automatic and communicate car to car, theres no guarantee they'd need/use external indcators as they become more prevalant. hopefully by then they'll have got infrastructure sorted to keep us all apart -foot traffic too..
 

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
It's OK we'll have automatic riderless bikes then too....
 
It'll all be down to money. Driverless will take off in a big way. Look at the scenario, young person wants a car. Insurance can be £2k plus several hundred for lessons. Driverless car insurance will be minimal. Will win pretty much everytine.

For the rest of us insurance ti drive will be pushed up as the cost for driverless comes diwn.

There will be a critical mass when the benefits are widely seen.
 

John the Monkey

Frivolous Cyclist
Location
Crewe
all supposition. and decades away before we're not a mixed up hash of auto & driven vehicles. If they are automatic and communicate car to car, theres no guarantee they'd need/use external indcators as they become more prevalant. hopefully by then they'll have got infrastructure sorted to keep us all apart -foot traffic too..
A lot depends on the legislative framework, and how issues of liability are handled.

One option is certainly to segregate automated vehicles from everything else - given this is the UK, it's as likely to happen by banning non motor traffic as it is from providing different thoroughfares though.

I also worry about the assumptions made in coding these things' decision trees &c, given how motor centric[1] our culture is. Look at the average cycle "facility" here to see how well intentioned people without a bicycle frame of reference can design things that vary from useless to outright dangerous. I think they are coming though - the shareholder value inherent in eliminating flesh and blood form the majority of, say, a delivery workforce will be too enticing for politicians - automated private cars will arrive as a sort of side effect.

[1] Hilariously, I've seen one of the touted advantages for automated cars being that the writer of the piece I was reading could set up an exercise bike in the back of his, and get some cardio in on the way to work. When all you can think is cars, I guess everything looks like driving. Another pearler was the elimination of parking spaces/charges, as these geniuses would have the cars circle constantly until needed for the journey home. Good job fuel is decreasing in price all the time, I guess.
 

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
Will we need insurance to sit in a driverless car owned and operated by Google, while it pootles along without any input from us- we'll be the passengers, covered by Google's insurance, paying per mile, just like taxis!
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
I unintentionally 'left the scene of an accident' on my motorbike after hitting diesel on a remote motorway roundabout on the M62... I slid a long, long way. Two policemen in a Police 'jam sandwich' were watching the traffic from the roundabout and saw me come off and came over, with the intention of giving me a hard time, but when I pointed out how slippery the road surface was, which one demonstrated by accidentally skating down it ...they called in to get the road sanded asap and were then very helpful and 'concerned about my wellbeing'.
Surely you never left the scene just the scene was much larger than the officers thought it was ;)
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
And being in the correct gear is one of the things that will help you achieve both of those.
But a lot of people think that keeping the revs low means good fuel economy. I remember working out that the best way to drive one of my cars economically was keep the revs above 2300 but bellow 3000 rpm on the 'flat' but once the gradients got over 8% the engine should be kept between 4000 & 5500rpm the steeper the gradient the higher the rpm going up or down didn't matter.
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
The potential social change (effectively eliminating an entire occupational class) is huge, and it seems, to me, that not many people are talking about it.

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just like farm machinery and the Spinning Jenny did.
 
I would imagine they would have pretty good collision detectin so cyclist would start getting more confidence with some weaving or even pulling out in front of driverless cars knowing they'd automatically stop.
 

John the Monkey

Frivolous Cyclist
Location
Crewe
I would imagine they would have pretty good collision detectin so cyclist would start getting more confidence with some weaving or even pulling out in front of driverless cars knowing they'd automatically stop.
Again, depends on the liability issues (companies footing the bill for at fault collisions will, I've no doubt, code more carefully).

I think this http://www.wired.com/2014/05/the-robot-car-of-tomorrow-might-just-be-programmed-to-hit-you/ is an interesting read. A car programmed to minimise harm might "decide" to hit you, if that's the least bad (or for the company, least expensive, perhaps) option available.

My gut feeling is that they'll be safer overall than current drivers - however, there's some stuff around the edge cases that may work quite differently to our expectations.
 

jnrmczip

Senior Member
Location
glasgow
I don't think they will work one bit. Think its the biggest joke ever unless they put cycle lanes on ever road with barrier to stop them entering. Say it did happen and they worked with censors if there was a bigger threat on the right hand side it would choose to avoid that and hit the bike on the left.
 

captain nemo1701

Space cadet. Deck 42 Main Engineering.
Location
Bristol
Are people getting so lazy now that they can't be a***d to drive?. As for safety & technology, I use an £8000 Leica GPS unit in my job. It doesn't tend to work near tall buildings or trees. Tech is not infallible, it'll get hacked etc.

One of my favourite movie quotes:
"The more you overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to block the drain"
(Star Trek 3, Scotty to McCoy on sabotaging another ship)
 
Are people getting so lazy now that they can't be a***d to drive?. As for safety & technology, I use an £8000 Leica GPS unit in my job. It doesn't tend to work near tall buildings or trees. Tech is not infallible, it'll get hacked etc.

One of my favourite movie quotes:
"The more you overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to block the drain"
(Star Trek 3, Scotty to McCoy on sabotaging another ship)
It's not about being arsed but the danger and cost to our economy. So many lives lost of changed due to driver error. So many millions spent repairing.

Driverless will be so much safer and cost so much less that the majority will take it up.
 
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