BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
HF2300 said:
That's what I saw. You can hear my disc brake humming...
Drivers pulling out.
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That's what I saw. You can hear my disc brake humming...
hackbike 6
New Member
- Location
- The Mile End Road.
Can a bent out brake an upright with disc brakes?
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
Yeah, big time. In the dry, the limiter on stopping ability is not the type of brakes you have, it's the angle between your centre of gravity and the front tyre contact patch. Regardless of having disc or rim brakes, you should still be able to brake to the point of doing an endo, or beyond if you really want to, LOL!
standard-issue
New Member
- Location
- Sheffield
You get Drivers like that weather you approach in a car or on a bike, I didn't see too many issues with the gap the driver left, seemed more a case of not getting up to the correct speed for the road in time. (although camera angles can be decieving, they may have been closer in reality)
If i were in a car, I'd have let them out, but it's totally different when your on a bike, its as though you've earned every mph and anyone who threatens to take it away from you, beware!
Most of the time you just have to accept a small dent in their wing meand broken bones for you and back off a little...Nomater how annoying it is (all else fails, a cleat down the paintwork)
If i were in a car, I'd have let them out, but it's totally different when your on a bike, its as though you've earned every mph and anyone who threatens to take it away from you, beware!
Most of the time you just have to accept a small dent in their wing meand broken bones for you and back off a little...Nomater how annoying it is (all else fails, a cleat down the paintwork)
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
I don't think it's ever right to intentionally damage a car, regardless of what the driver had done. In this case the driver was to blame, but only for a fairly minor and stupid mistake.
PBancroft
Senior Member
- Location
- Winchester
I think Mikey's beep wasn't misplaced - a horn is there to let the other person know that you are there. Probably was a shock as most people don't expect bikes to beep, let alone recumbents.
If I was in a car, I would have had to have braked quite sharply if I were going at Mikey's speed - a quick toot would have been well placed.
I think I read car horns differently to most people though. A lot of people see them as aggressive instruments. I think they are a handy communication tool.
If I was in a car, I would have had to have braked quite sharply if I were going at Mikey's speed - a quick toot would have been well placed.
I think I read car horns differently to most people though. A lot of people see them as aggressive instruments. I think they are a handy communication tool.
hackbike 6
New Member
- Location
- The Mile End Road.
That car did pull out slowly.Some of them fly out of the turning when they try that trick.
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
Except for the part that I did want him to know I was alongside and coming past. The other part, where I expected the AirZound to give him a shock, was.
Regardless, it's still much more minor than the drivers mistake of failing to give way.
Regardless, it's still much more minor than the drivers mistake of failing to give way.
Nigeyy
Legendary Member
- Location
- Massachusetts, USA
Apart from the fact I do agree with what Magnatom posted (I really do) the simple parts of the equation for me is this:
i. you could have slowed down and let the car enter the lane without overtaking it (now that's not to say what the car did was correct or proper, just that you could have done this -and what cost was it to you?)
ii. placing yourself in a position where a vehicle driver doesn't expect you to be (i.e. overtaking at that point) increases the chances of not being seen or accounted for. I think the car just tootled out -if they'd try to accelerate and then decided to take a right without indicating (which they might have done) it would have put you in a poor position.
iii. beeping the horn -even as a "I'm here" sort of thing can antagonize the driver if they're one of the idiotic types given the context of bike vs car and showing you can overtake. Again, not that it's wrong, I just sort of think of not doing what you did as minimizing your probability of a conflict.
Of course, I could be totally wrong, just my opinion, but I would have stayed behind the car. And BentMikey, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, just the way I saw it.
I love riding my 'bent too.
i. you could have slowed down and let the car enter the lane without overtaking it (now that's not to say what the car did was correct or proper, just that you could have done this -and what cost was it to you?)
ii. placing yourself in a position where a vehicle driver doesn't expect you to be (i.e. overtaking at that point) increases the chances of not being seen or accounted for. I think the car just tootled out -if they'd try to accelerate and then decided to take a right without indicating (which they might have done) it would have put you in a poor position.
iii. beeping the horn -even as a "I'm here" sort of thing can antagonize the driver if they're one of the idiotic types given the context of bike vs car and showing you can overtake. Again, not that it's wrong, I just sort of think of not doing what you did as minimizing your probability of a conflict.
Of course, I could be totally wrong, just my opinion, but I would have stayed behind the car. And BentMikey, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, just the way I saw it.
I love riding my 'bent too.
magnatom said:
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
No chance of the car turning right there, as there are no entrances on that side of the road.
hackbike 6
New Member
- Location
- The Mile End Road.
That's told you.
BentMikey said:
BM, you need to be a little careful with your language. The way you've wrote that is slightly antognistic. There is no need to say 'Come on magnatom....'. I'm sure you don't mean it, but it comes across as slightly superior...
Anyway, I'm just trying to point out that by overtaking there you were increasing your risk, where there was absolutely no need to. You agree that you could have slowed. Yes they did pull out when they shouldn't , but you chose to take a risk, however small, just to make a point. It just isn't worth it, in my opinion.
As for my comment about the car at the end, there seems to have been a bout of blindness to the smilies that were strategically placed at the end of the comment....
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
Fair enough on the come on, sorry.
But still, I don't get all the hand wringing about the overtake. That was an easy and safe overtake, with no additional risk involved, and all the scenarious you've painted to try and illustrate risk really are very unlikely, which point you haven't challenged. The car wasn't even able to keep up there, given both the speed limit and approaching speed camera. Last of all, it's regularly taught that manouvreing is often better than braking. With an impatient driver behind me, and a slowish car ahead, the overtake was still the better option.
It's not as though it was like your overtake and angry oncoming lady where you got it very wrong, this was a normal and safe overtake with loads of room. (Not that I'm implying anything, I've also done that kind of overtake).
But still, I don't get all the hand wringing about the overtake. That was an easy and safe overtake, with no additional risk involved, and all the scenarious you've painted to try and illustrate risk really are very unlikely, which point you haven't challenged. The car wasn't even able to keep up there, given both the speed limit and approaching speed camera. Last of all, it's regularly taught that manouvreing is often better than braking. With an impatient driver behind me, and a slowish car ahead, the overtake was still the better option.
It's not as though it was like your overtake and angry oncoming lady where you got it very wrong, this was a normal and safe overtake with loads of room. (Not that I'm implying anything, I've also done that kind of overtake).
Riding in Circles
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- EDINBURGH
magnatom said:
He is superior, he rides a recumbent, come on Magnatom, get with the program boy.
Origamist
Legendary Member
magnatom said:
Only "slightly" superior?
Lots of people claim on this forum that they want to learn from others, share experiences etc but when it comes down to it - they don't, or when they do, it's only when they agree with the advice! Most of us are far happier to continually sate our confirmation bias.
In this case, given the width of the road and the speed BM was doing, the overtaking manoeuvre was smooth and well executed. What's more, if BM had slammed on the brakes and got hit from behind, there would be queues of people posting "why didn't you overtake!"
