Vapin' Joe
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It's a reference to their bank balances, not their playing ability.Flying_Monkey said:
England v Germany
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postman said:
Ah, is that why teams like Chelsea and Manchester United have performed well in European matches, yet the England team seems to struggle internationally. You would think that if you can optimize the player selection from any of the English teams you would end up with a team that was better than any individual English team, so should be able to perform well.
Kenny Gray
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As a Scotsman dont shoot me,but watching the game today for a team at that level the defence and i cant blame James were too easy to beat .
Dont know what the answer is but i would love half of that talent in the Scotland team.
Bring back the home internationals, then we might win something ;-D
Dont know what the answer is but i would love half of that talent in the Scotland team.
Bring back the home internationals, then we might win something ;-D
this was an under-achieving England side, but when you look at the individuals..
Ashley Cole has played up to his own level, but the other four 'world class' players have gone a bit missing...
Rooney - has played up front on his own all year. No wonder he's shot
Gerrard - had a ghastly season playing for a club that is falling apart
Lampard - he really doesn't do well away from the power game of Chelsea
Terry - possibly a little past his best, and not used to working as the last man - but his bravery is outstanding. It's simply that the other centre backs are not top drawer
Ashley Cole has played up to his own level, but the other four 'world class' players have gone a bit missing...
Rooney - has played up front on his own all year. No wonder he's shot
Gerrard - had a ghastly season playing for a club that is falling apart
Lampard - he really doesn't do well away from the power game of Chelsea
Terry - possibly a little past his best, and not used to working as the last man - but his bravery is outstanding. It's simply that the other centre backs are not top drawer
Bay Runner
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There is always the option to ring the England Football Fan Helpline on 0800 41 41 41
meenaghman
Guru
I reckon part of the problem is the attitude of the English players to fitness and conditioning..especially for a World cup at altitude. There was an interesting article on energy/isotonic drinks in C Plus a while back. The nutrionist said it was a joy to work with the top cyclists and even rugby players as they asked questions about what was in the drink, how it helped, how much was needed etc.. the top English soccer players asked how much they would get for promoting it, and what shape the bottles were.
Ah well its off to the beaches for the lads then, which is where some of the minds were.
Ah well its off to the beaches for the lads then, which is where some of the minds were.
I don't understand this common theme of being tired after playing a full season of matches prior to the World Cup? Surely a full season of top flight football has enhanced their fitness? I can ride 100 miles rides every weekend all year round and get progressively fitter and faster and don't feel that I'm getting progressively more fatigued.
I've watched a few training sessions for the footballers, and it seems to consist of:
1. Gently skipping
2. Gently jumping sideways
3. Dribbling a ball around some cones then running back to the start
Why aren't they doing interval runs, to the point of exhaustion? Isn't that how you get fitter?
I've watched a few training sessions for the footballers, and it seems to consist of:
1. Gently skipping
2. Gently jumping sideways
3. Dribbling a ball around some cones then running back to the start
Why aren't they doing interval runs, to the point of exhaustion? Isn't that how you get fitter?
hackbike 666
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Number 4...lifting a pint glass.
On the plus side im going England flag spotting today.
On the plus side im going England flag spotting today.
swee'pea99
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From todays Grauniad:
"Prior to this tournament, there were 2,769 English coaches holding Uefa's top qualifications. Spain has produced 23,995, Italy 29,420, Germany 34,970 and France 17,588."
"Prior to this tournament, there were 2,769 English coaches holding Uefa's top qualifications. Spain has produced 23,995, Italy 29,420, Germany 34,970 and France 17,588."
lukesdad
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We are all part of the problem. If we ditched the Sky boxes.That would stop the obscene amount of money flowing into the premiership,drop the players wages and be less attractive to overseas players. If you dont want to do that. Don t moan about the National sides performance! You can t have it both ways...Sorry. By definition money kills sport.
Fnaar
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Compare England's lack of 'appetite' for the game to that of Chile this evening, for example... even when they had no chance, they were giving it their all... England needs some of that. And it will take 20 yrs or so from HAVING that attitude at International level for it to seep through to the kids playing school/Sunday footy now.
(I reserve the right to cheer for Engerlund nxt time they do anything good, though)
(I reserve the right to cheer for Engerlund nxt time they do anything good, though)
mangaman
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lukesdad said:
The trouble with this argument lukesdad is we were crapper before the premier league.
We won at home in 1966 and were a half decent team in 1970.
I remember the teams of 1974 (just) and 1978 not even qualifying - the team of 1982 being rubbish. 1986 the hand of God (actually Maradonna carving us to pieces). 1990 we got to the semis in probably the lowest quality finals in memory (scraping through the group / last minute win against Belgium / behind before the penalties against Cameroon). 1994 we didn't qualify.
The Prem started in 1992 and only really got huge investment in the last 10 years - since when we have actually been slightly less crap at the world cup than we were before (in fact a lot better than the 1970s/80s).
I think it is as simple as coaching technique. All the South American / Asian teams for example in this tournament can do the basics. They can control a moving ball / pass it / hold it. We can't. I suspect it's always been thus from when they were 8 years old. I watch my nephew play (age 9) and the coach is an unqualified/well-meaning chap and all the kids just belt the ball around and chase after it.
BTW, Capello's crap about tiredness pissed me off - Tevez didn't look too tired last night after a season in the Prem and as I posted yesterday if you add games played, Messi has played far more last season for Barca than any English player, and he is hardly the kind of player to stroll through games - he gives it his all every time.
Vapin' Joe
Formerly known as Smokin Joe
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Spot on Mangaman.
Everytime an England player receives the ball he looks like he is in trouble because his control is not up to those in even the moderate international sides. When they pass they can't seem to get the weight right or play it into a position that the receiver is comfortable. Any bout of passing where they are trying to retain possession starts to fall apart after three passes, they either end up putting each other into trouble and losing it or having to give it a thump upfield before they do because the movement off the ball is not good enough to give them an outlet.
The players we regard as world class in their club sides have their basic deficiencies masked by the quality of the imported players around them, put eleven Englishmen together and it all falls apart. Sailing through a fairly low standard qualifying section fooled us into thinking we were something we are not, and on reflection geting to the first knockout stage was probably an over acheivement.
Everytime an England player receives the ball he looks like he is in trouble because his control is not up to those in even the moderate international sides. When they pass they can't seem to get the weight right or play it into a position that the receiver is comfortable. Any bout of passing where they are trying to retain possession starts to fall apart after three passes, they either end up putting each other into trouble and losing it or having to give it a thump upfield before they do because the movement off the ball is not good enough to give them an outlet.
The players we regard as world class in their club sides have their basic deficiencies masked by the quality of the imported players around them, put eleven Englishmen together and it all falls apart. Sailing through a fairly low standard qualifying section fooled us into thinking we were something we are not, and on reflection geting to the first knockout stage was probably an over acheivement.
mangaman said:
Is it complete crap though? In 2002 England suffered a bit due to either the heat or tiredness. Nearly all the sides that were very fit and worked hard and seem to like the climate progressed. People were raising big question marks then, it's just we played quite a bit better.
Smokin Joe said:
Sure, but that's always the way. As the euro 2012 qualifying group is one of the easier ones on paper and because it's trendy to have co-hosts so there's a squeeze on with only 14 other places until the tournament changes in 2018, if we qualify for that we'll convince ourselves we're brilliant (especially as we didn't qualify last time). We can go through it all over again.
