England v Germany

[marinyork]

Nice post...I think you are right about England being hyped of for being better than they actually are.I must say I didn't expect us to get as outplayed as we obviously did but I didn't think we would win.

Look how we started off...we were so bad in the other games it was shocking.Apart from Slovakia where we were a bit better.

Various people have said they are overhyped from flying monkey, to myself (neutral in terms of national divisions v national side) to various doom merchants. I didn't feel the 2010 side are as good as some sides going further back - we tend to get overobsessed with qualifying and friendly matches and which side someone plays for and the teams' form and not theirs but that doesn't particularly matter if you can get performances out of them and the tactics. We played badly in three out of four games and the other game although we played quite well what was good just showed how limited our options and play is compared to what it needs to be. I'm not sure it'd have even mattered at this world cup as the standard has been so low, but then we managed to do that little bit worse.

 

[yello]

Stuart Pearce for England manager? Why, of course. All England need, clearly, is to try harder. They're just missing the 'psycho spirit'.

 

[postman]

Time for a change ?

Well all the footie fans will not like it .

Why did our stars of the top English teams not play well?

Because they were playing with other English players and not with their overseas stars .

The change is bring more English lads into top class football and send the overseas stars back .

Our lads look good in their ow teams because of johhny foreigner(not a racist comment )but a fact .

Heskey cannot get a game with his club ,Crouch is a super sub .Wright Philips failed at Chelsea,Lennon runs fast ,then runs out of pitch .Joe Cole cannot get a run in his club either .

I could go on but won't bother .Until there is change in the Prem league ,things won't change .
And i won't see that in my lifetime .
Chelseas,Arsenals,Liverpools,Man U's all of them want success so they pay top money and buy overseas.Good try lads ,better luck next time .

 

[NormanD]

I blame the parents

Back to normality now

 

[nosherduke996]

Same dog, different lampost !

 

[Bill Gates]

Saw Rooney play at Spurs last year and he was brilliant. Lightning fast, superb control and direct. Whatever the reasons at the World Cup he was slow, poor control and all over the place. IOW no form.

The same applies to most of the players. There will be some soul searching about what went wrong but many of us could have pointed it out before the debacle. You either pick the players to play in their best position or you pick the best players and try and make them into a team. If you go for the best players in their best position then it's either Gerrard or Lampard, not both.

If a player is off form then take them off no matter who they are and change the system if it's not working. It's so bloody frustrating watching the TV and shouting out Italian tosser as Heskey comes on for Defoe. Same old same old. Nooooooooooooo!

 

[Vidor06]

If the manager hadppicked players on form then Bobby Zamora and Darren Bent probably would have gone to the World Cup instead of Heskey and Crouch. And as to what Michael Dawson has to do to win a cap I dont know. He was outstanding for Spurs all season and yet when it comes to picking a World cup squad Capello goes for Carragher first. Simply bizarre. As for Shaun Wright Philips going instead of Adam Johnson, who gets picked at City ahead of him, just doesnt make sense.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

England ... Too many smug people in smug positions looking after each other with vast amounts of money and all being very nice about it.

Just widened that for you - it's everywhere!

 

[Dayvo]

Just widened that for you - it's everywhere!

One that got away!

Dayvo had to leave the country so many people complained about the smell

 

[mangaman]

Footballing rope-a-dope? For 50 minutes I was wondering why Germany could be anybody's favourite for the World Cup. A very ordinary looking side, little or no enthusiasm. 2 goals that told England fans what they already knew; that England's defence was ropey. An inexperienced pairing in central defence and a right back that is a midfielder and goes walkabout.

Germany were sitting deep and looked to be struggling under wave upon wave of England attacks. England committed men forward in search of (another) equaliser. Terry goes up for a corner, possession is lost, Germany break, 3-1.

Then I figured I might have been suckered too. At 4-1, Germany pushed up and played in the England half. We were almost treated to exhibition football as England players chased and Germany played keep ball.

Game won, Germany made their subs to rest players for the next match. But the team looked more positive for it. But for a lazy pass, it would have been 5-1. England's substitutions made no difference. The forwards were deprived of possession and team work disintegrated. Solo efforts and pop shots ensued.

To England's credit, they tried. There was no shortage of effort. Sadly for England, it's goals that win games. The score line for me reflecting the difference in class. England, spirited but naive. Germany showed how to ride the punches, draw the opponent out and strike decisively when the space presented itself. Perhaps not a master class but enough to convincingly beat England.

I agree to an extent yello - but Germany looked stronger/faster and more skilful from the start.

The 3rd goal (or was it the 4th? ) Gareth Barry was trying to chase back and lost about 40 yards to the German attacker.

I hope the "goal that never was" will not be trotted out as an excuse - we were beaten by a better side (and at their age a good bet for the next World Cup).

What I can't fathom is Capello. Why pick Upson (I know he scored, but contributed to the first 2 German goals) ahead of Dawson?

All three subs were poor I felt.

When he brought on Joe Cole, I thought good - Cole will play on the left to free up Gerard, but he didn't. As for Heskey vs Crouch the mind boggles.

As for Rooney - he scored 34 goals for Man U this year. He couldn't even control a pass this tournament.

I'm convinced he's injured (or - for a better conspiracy theory) unhappy with Capello's dogmatic refusal to change the system and sulked his way through the tournament along with Gerard and Lampard.

As for the "English players are too tired because of the Premiership" argument I've heard.

In 2009/10, Messi played 53 games for Barcelona in all competitions, Rooney played 44 for Man UTD, Gerard played 46 for Liverpool, Shweinsteiger played 48 for Bayern. etc etc

It's not an acceptable excuse.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

BTW, where did this 'golden generation' rubbish come from? The team is less than half as good as when Shearer and Owen were playing up front for England. In fact England haven't had a striker who scared the opposition in any way since they retired of went downhill.

And people complaining about the lack of English players in the Premiership... most of the sides who have done well here have players playing all over the world. How many English players now play, or have ever played, in France, Germany, Italy or Spain? In fact, many of them would struggle in the Brazilian league. There's your problem. The EPL lulls England into a false sense of superiority. It's not that it's so much 'better', it's that to play internationally, you need to cope with different climates, styles and speeds. English players at present just don't seem to be adaptable.

 

[Davidc]

Bring back Sven-Göran Eriksson! At least we get the WAGs to ogle at.

Oh no - can't.

Ivory Coast have got him.

More seriously, whatever the causes of England's failure we'll have the papers demanding heads on silver platters and holding endless inquests, all of which will achieve nothing.

England got to the last 16, possibly a little flattering to them. We'll do better when we have better players.

Rugby world cup next year - more to my taste - but I don't think that'll be much better. New Zealand with home advantage should win, and at present the Aussies and South Africans are both set to beat all northern oponents.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

In fairness none of the German Squad plays outside Germany.

True - but then they have another system - which is based around the national team. I guess England could try that too - but that would need the cooperation of the EPL, and a lot more leadership from the FA.

 

[Davidc]

leadership from the FA.

Oxymoron

 

[Yellow Fang]

Were Germany that good, or were our defence really that bad? I don't think I can remember another goal like the one they scored when their keeper just booted it up the field, the ball bounced once and their striker put it in the net. Then there was that goal when our entire right flank went missing for some German player to run into and score. I can't ever remember Ashley Cole having such a bad game. The Germans went through our defence like a hot knife through butter. Then with three goals to bring back, Capello brings on Heskey for Defoe.