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[Cab]

What you have ALL missed here is...

45 years cycling in the West Midlands metropolis and I've had TWO incidents.

The first was 15 years ago and the second 4 years ago.

You are probably correct in saying "It was the motorists who were to blame", but what caused them to get so aggrieved? It was my riding 'In their way'....

OP committed TWO fatal mistakes.

1/ He rode away in 'Primary', effectively becoming 'the prat on the bike'.

2/ He TOUCHED Mr Focus' precious metal.


To avoid getting sworn at ( or if its really bad, smacked in the teeth ) again, get out of the idiot's way and DON'T lay a finger on his paintwork.

One persons alone is not statistically relevant. More to the point, I'm now entirely convinced that you're riding very passively and merely accepting close overtakes and being cut up with no comment. Its the only way you could have very few 'incidents' riding the way you do.

Your passive style is all too common.

 

[Cab]

What you have ALL missed here is...

45 years cycling in the West Midlands metropolis and I've had TWO incidents.

The first was 15 years ago and the second 4 years ago.

You are probably correct in saying "It was the motorists who were to blame", but what caused them to get so aggrieved? It was my riding 'In their way'....

OP committed TWO fatal mistakes.

1/ He rode away in 'Primary', effectively becoming 'the prat on the bike'.

2/ He TOUCHED Mr Focus' precious metal.


To avoid getting sworn at ( or if its really bad, smacked in the teeth ) again, get out of the idiot's way and DON'T lay a finger on his paintwork.

One persons alone is not statistically relevant. More to the point, I'm now entirely convinced that you're riding very passively and merely accepting close overtakes and being cut up with no comment. Its the only way you could have very few 'incidents' riding the way you do.

Your passive style is all too common.

 

[Cab]

You can all play it your own way, risking the wrath of Mr Focus.

I will, thanks. Tell me, why are cyclists taught to do it wrong (in your eyes)?

 

[Cab]

You can all play it your own way, risking the wrath of Mr Focus.

I will, thanks. Tell me, why are cyclists taught to do it wrong (in your eyes)?

 

[Cab]

What exactly has he done wrong, he has his ways and he has not had any trouble, what's the problem? Some people really are to 'die hard' when it comes to road craft and positioning.

How many passive sub-secondary position cyclists do you see?

What proprotion get very regular, very close overtakes?

How many seem incensed by that?

That he is not aware of a problem does not mean that there is not one.

 

[Cab]

What exactly has he done wrong, he has his ways and he has not had any trouble, what's the problem? Some people really are to 'die hard' when it comes to road craft and positioning.

How many passive sub-secondary position cyclists do you see?

What proprotion get very regular, very close overtakes?

How many seem incensed by that?

That he is not aware of a problem does not mean that there is not one.

 

[jimboalee]

So what if I pose the question as to why it is their right to be there over mine? We're talking a matter of yards here that Mr.Focus wasn't willing to wait, this was on fairly empty roads and he was stopping 400yds ahead.

Being in the primary in poor conditions in this instance was correct, the motorists actions were wrong.

I'm unsure why you're supporting dangerous driving, or maybe you empathise with Mr.Focus and drive in a similar manner if another road user gets in your way?

Here's the answer.

None, but consider this.

If a cyclist hits a motorcar at it's NORMAL speed, the cyclist might slip off the front of the saddle and hurt his doobries; and the car might get a dent in the door.

If a car hits a cyclist at it's NORMAL speed, the car might get a few dents and scratches; and the cyclist might be incapacitated to the extent of needing to move around in a wheelchair for rest of his life.

 

[jimboalee]

So what if I pose the question as to why it is their right to be there over mine? We're talking a matter of yards here that Mr.Focus wasn't willing to wait, this was on fairly empty roads and he was stopping 400yds ahead.

Being in the primary in poor conditions in this instance was correct, the motorists actions were wrong.

I'm unsure why you're supporting dangerous driving, or maybe you empathise with Mr.Focus and drive in a similar manner if another road user gets in your way?

Here's the answer.

None, but consider this.

If a cyclist hits a motorcar at it's NORMAL speed, the cyclist might slip off the front of the saddle and hurt his doobries; and the car might get a dent in the door.

If a car hits a cyclist at it's NORMAL speed, the car might get a few dents and scratches; and the cyclist might be incapacitated to the extent of needing to move around in a wheelchair for rest of his life.

 

[Cab]

Never said there was not a problem, my point is that Jimbo has his own style of riding, granted not to everyones own taste but it works for him. And he ends up getting lamblasted for daring to be different and say that he lets traffic through when he can.

He's not being lambasted for his riding style. He's being lambasted for being critical of how everyone else (correctly) chooses to use ASL's.

 

[Cab]

Never said there was not a problem, my point is that Jimbo has his own style of riding, granted not to everyones own taste but it works for him. And he ends up getting lamblasted for daring to be different and say that he lets traffic through when he can.

He's not being lambasted for his riding style. He's being lambasted for being critical of how everyone else (correctly) chooses to use ASL's.

 

[Cab]

Here's the answer.

None, but consider this.

If a cyclist hits a motorcar at it's NORMAL speed, the cyclist might slip off the front of the saddle and hurt his doobries; and the car might get a dent in the door.

If a car hits a cyclist at it's NORMAL speed, the car might get a few dents and scratches; and the cyclist might be incapacitated to the extent of needing to move around in a wheelchair for rest of his life.

So might makes right? Sorry, no.

 

[Cab]

Here's the answer.

None, but consider this.

If a cyclist hits a motorcar at it's NORMAL speed, the cyclist might slip off the front of the saddle and hurt his doobries; and the car might get a dent in the door.

If a car hits a cyclist at it's NORMAL speed, the car might get a few dents and scratches; and the cyclist might be incapacitated to the extent of needing to move around in a wheelchair for rest of his life.

So might makes right? Sorry, no.

 

[Coco]

So what if I pose the question as to why it is their right to be there over mine? We're talking a matter of yards here that Mr.Focus wasn't willing to wait, this was on fairly empty roads and he was stopping 400yds ahead.

Being in the primary in poor conditions in this instance was correct, the motorists actions were wrong.

+1

I'm also of the opinion that if you can touch their car, then they're too close. But I haven't been riding for 45 years

 

[Coco]

So what if I pose the question as to why it is their right to be there over mine? We're talking a matter of yards here that Mr.Focus wasn't willing to wait, this was on fairly empty roads and he was stopping 400yds ahead.

Being in the primary in poor conditions in this instance was correct, the motorists actions were wrong.

+1

I'm also of the opinion that if you can touch their car, then they're too close. But I haven't been riding for 45 years

 

[jimboalee]

+1

I'm also of the opinion that if you can touch their car, then they're too close. But I haven't been riding for 45 years

The standard lane width is 3m, or 10 ft.

A bike is 2' and a car is 5' (nominal).

The car leave 1' between it and the centre markers. The bike rides 2' from the kerb minimum.

That leaves 1 foot between the cyclist's elbow and the passing car.

If I reach out my right arm, the passing cars will hit my right hand.

This is pretty normal in the urban environment.

If I was to throw out my right arm suddenly and the passing car hits it, it would be MY responsibilty for any damage because,

1/ Riding without due care and attention, and
2/ Causing an obstruction to traffic.

Try it.