Fenchurch Street prang

[Origamist]

I cant say that I've noticed any tendacy's from Tynan, but am happy to take your word on that.

I could find numerous examples, but I don't want to turn this into a Tynan witch-hunt.

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but none of this is a reason to lay any responsibility with a vehicle travelling legitimatley at legal speed on an open highway, when someone just steps out in front of it. Hwether that vehicle like or dislikes pedestrians.

A legal speed (i.e within the speed limit) is not always appropriate for the conditions.

If Tynan barged the ped, or steered towards her, then this would be a totally different discussion.....but he didnt, she just stepped out, she didnt look and she was unlucky. I hade two people do this to me this morning and one last night and all of them caught the full Jonny megaphone "Watch...OUT" (I have a very loud shout!), which stopped them, all all in the near vicinity ...in their tracks.

I'm not laying blame at Tynan's door - what I would say is that his OP lacked compassion for a fellow human being.

 

[BentMikey]

I can see your logic... but as Peds can be around on any road us cyclists can be on, does this mean we should all be going at about 10 - 15mph at any time... just in case?

It might in some situations. You have to take each case on its own merits, and take actions such as slowing down, riding well out from the kerb and parked cars, scanning to the pavements much more.

For example, most of the time I don't think it would be appropriate to do 20mph in Hyde Park, quite apart from breaking the speed limit there. I have done that and faster, and it was pretty stupid of me.

Anyway, that's all by the way and general. I have a lot of sympathy for Tynan and the pedestrian, and I'd certainly accept it isn't always possible to correct for all the mistakes pedestrians make.

 

[Tynan]

Morning and thanks all

I take it very easy in the morning on Fenchurch street, very busy then and the south side of the road is very ped heavy, heading home later, that side is much quieter, my speed had nothing to do with it at all, it was that immediate, other than to hit her harder

again, every single witness and the coppers that spoke to witnesses backed up my version, that there was nothing I could have done, the statement the cops took has my speed at '15-20mph'

as for late night drunks, it was 6.15pm and daylight, granted I didn't give the time, and I'm not aware of Fenchurch Street being an area for drunks, not at the time I go through it every day

As for sympathy and empathy with peds, I fail to see what that matters, I do my utmost to avoid them and allow for them, I ride through very ped heavy roads every single day and allow for them trying to get killed every single week

Me having little sympathy or empathy for them has nothing to do with it, me hurting myself or causing damage to my way of getting to work that i can't afford to repair is all the motivation I need to avoid accidents of any kind

and of course I don't want to injure another human being, why the bloody hell would I want to do that, it's a ludicrous suggestion

Anyway, the ride has been released from police investigations, just have to collect it, shoulder fine, left knee twinge, left ankle scrap, left elbow doesn't like being leant on and puffy but otherwise working fine, think I'll ride home tonight

I had third party from CTC for two years but that's lapsed when I didn't have the necessary to renew, she's more than welcome to try suing, the wife's a barrister and I'm a barrack room lawyer, this one really is open and shut, the two witnesses I took details from said they'd noticed here just previous to the accident staggering around 'either drunk or with mental health issues'

 

[steve52]

she is human after all? whats that mean gengis kahn was human stalin was human hitler was human, the james bulger killers are human!! being stupid being evil being kind being compasionate all are human things she was stupid, the cyclist will be more carful next time as it hurts not to be, and so manytime i read i shouted! thats a waste of time concentrate on missing the buggers is my advice. but im glad your bike is ok, it after all was the one component that had no choice in the events.

 

[Origamist]

she is human after all? whats that mean gengis kahn was human stalin was human hitler was human, the james bulger killers are human!! being stupid being evil being kind being compasionate all are human things she was stupid, the cyclist will be more carful next time as it hurts not to be, and so manytime i read i shouted! thats a waste of time concentrate on missing the buggers is my advice. but im glad your bike is ok, it after all was the one component that had no choice in the events.

"...it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

 

[ChrisKH]

I use Fenchurch Street and the station every day - it's a mare and people do not look before stepping out. I do take particular care round there as I know what they're like but I can fully understand how it could have happened. There are a number of roadside works close to the station at the moment which increases the danger for pedestrians and road users alike.

 

[MacB]

"...it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

cutting, very cutting..........

 

[Tynan]

ooo and just to up the ante, after the accident, she was being looked after by a half dozen people and I was sat on the curb feeling a bit weedy waiting for the cops etc, I can't claim all the credit because I was in that shock thing, but all I could think about was wanting to check that the front wheel was ok, I was at the back wheel of the bike proper against a lamp post

I had the definite feeling that it would look bad to be seen checking the front wheel while the person you'd hit was lying face down in the road bleeding

so I had to wait for the hour and a half it took to semi clear the scene and the bloke taking the bike away let me grab the pannier

yuk yuk

(yes, I do hope she's ok, of course I do, it shouldn't have to be said, that would have been one hell of crack to the skull though, no helmet!)

 

[Armegatron]

she is human after all? whats that mean gengis kahn was human stalin was human hitler was human, the james bulger killers are human!! being stupid being evil being kind being compasionate all are human things she was stupid, the cyclist will be more carful next time as it hurts not to be, and so manytime i read i shouted! thats a waste of time concentrate on missing the buggers is my advice. but im glad your bike is ok, it after all was the one component that had no choice in the events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Its happened already and only at page 4

 

[hackbike 666]

I have had two today.....I have been terrible physically probably affected by the Thailand trip last week.Felt awful Monday.....Last night I slept at least ten hours but all day I have been a bit groggy....even riding home I just about had some sort of fast reaction as I had two ped incidents both caught on camera.The second one shows up well....the first one doesn't as the ped walked off of the pavement into my path.

The first one was at a ped light crossing (off of the Waterloo rounderbout) with loads of peds around just standing there waiting for the lights to change....One steps out from the crowd and walks just as I ceoss through the lights.....Had to pull sharp right....A bet a courier would have been proud of that one.She had headphones in and had a phone in her hand when I looked back.No time to blow horn it was that tight.I must never trust a group of peds not to do something like that again.

Second one was at The Bakers Arms Leyton...Bloke steps in front of me so I stay left walks almost half way across then walks back.Cue slamming on the brakes and back wheel goes up in the air.I shout FFS and he says sorry and im on my merry way.

Sometimes it seems it just can't be helped.

I must admit him walking back like that totally caught me.

 

[BentMikey]

Good job avoiding those clowns, Hackers!

Tynan, how goes the bruising and bike? Have you heard back from the police/woman at all?

 

[ianrauk]

This thread reminded me. I have a very close call with a ped on the way to HPC for the FNRttC. about 11.15 at night. A woman ran across the road right on front of me without looking. I must have been doing about 15-26mph. How I managed to stop and not hit her is a mystery. She didn't even say sorry.

 

[hackbike 666]

Good job avoiding those clowns, Hackers!

Tynan, how goes the bruising and bike? Have you heard back from the police/woman at all?

I was sparse with the horn around those peds...wasn't the right thing to do...Should have given short blasts....not a long blast then I may have avoided the situation happening.Peds are not going to change I should know that by now so I have to modify my riding accordingly.

I just didn't want to be classed as a horn yob.

 

[Crankarm]

I was sparse with the horn around those peds...wasn't the right thing to do...Should have given short blasts....not a long blast then I may have avoided the situation happening.Peds are not going to change I should know that by now so I have to modify my riding accordingly.

I just didn't want to be classed as a horn yob.

Peds are like sheep. You think you have them covered and they're not going to jump out in front of you .......... but what do they do?

Jump right out in front of you.

 

[Tynan]

Tynan is fine other than a bruised elbow and a cut ankle, us old people heal slow

the bike is A1 other than brake pads worn down, can't blame the acident for that though I fear

no news from the cops/vic, the cops were good as gold at the scene, very thorough but said every witness agreed with my view of it

as for the peds, I get more and more lary of them every month, there's absolutely nothing they might not do