First electric car experience

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roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
Even more enlightening is the figure per capita which tells a fairer story::
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So, even though China's industrial might and output outstrips the rest of the world [which is why it uses the most energy] it is well below the west in terms of waste and harmful impacts.

Makes you think doesn't it? This is where each person's efforts to do something, however small they may appear to be, make a real difference, and having an EV or even better no car at all [when there is a viable public access alternative] will steer us in the right direction providing those in power take the necessary steps to stop using fossil fuels NOW!

It would be even more informative to have a table including embedded carbon from trade.

This gives some indication of the impact of exporting our carbon emissions by globalising trade.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...b=chart&country=Europe~USA~CHN~Africa~GBR~JPN

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gzoom

Über Member
So, even though China's industrial might and output outstrips the rest of the world [which is why it uses the most energy] it is well below the west in terms of waste and harmful impacts.

As some on there would say 'Whatever'

The sad reality is most human beings (my self included) as selfish first and every thing else is a nice to do but only of it doesn't impact on our quality of life.

As a species we are pretty much doomed, the best any of us can hopeful is we don't live long enough to see effects of our actions, though that remains to be seen.
 

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
As some on there would say 'Whatever'

The sad reality is most human beings (my self included) as selfish first and every thing else is a nice to do but only of it doesn't impact on our quality of life.

As a species we are pretty much doomed, the best any of us can hopeful is we don't live long enough to see effects of our actions, though that remains to be seen.
Just as well this negativity is countered by the people who can see a way forward and are doing whatever it takes to push it through for future generations.

Newton's Third Law!
 
Location
Wirral
It's interesting that your rationale is entirely based on cost to YOU and aggro to YOU and nothing about potentially reduced emissions which are a benefit for ALL
Some of us can't afford to think of the big picture, some of us without kids just don't give a toss, some people mention getting the soon to be very cheap diesels, and 'to hell' with the particulates (or I guess big petrols, CO2?) and all potentially just to annoy the eco evangelists.
Just some of the comments I know of - and I giggle at a few!
 

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
'Cheap diesels' and 'big patrols' will be heavily taxed to make them less viable with additional incentives to scrap them.

People who like to annoy others for fun will find other outlets as environmental taxation bites into their lifestyles- they might not even be aware of it as it'll be insidious,
 

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
Absolutely not sure if EV will fit into this . Not with the current energy demand we have just now. Gas and leccy wholesale price rising massively !
Ten years ago I took part in a study funded by the National Grid with universities providing research which looked at financial incentivised controlled electricity black-outs for businesses midweek between4pm and 8pm so that the National Grid could manage the surge in demand after children get hoe from school.

They also looked at local community battery storage for housing estates where the heat generated in the electric distribution cables was a real problem, and it's going to get worse, when PV electric generated on house roofs being fed back into the grid was overheating the system.
 
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Pale Rider

Legendary Member
Even more enlightening is the figure per capita which tells a fairer story::
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So, even though China's industrial might and output outstrips the rest of the world [which is why it uses the most energy] it is well below the west in terms of waste and harmful impacts.

Makes you think doesn't it? This is where each person's efforts to do something, however small they may appear to be, make a real difference, and having an EV or even better no car at all [when there is a viable public access alternative] will steer us in the right direction providing those in power take the necessary steps to stop using fossil fuels NOW!

The Aussies should be allowed to count their sheep to bring their per capita number down a bit.
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
Button pressed. PHEV now on order.

It's a lease. Interestingly, the lease cost of the equivalent conventional fuel model was significantly more expensive although the list price is lower. Presumably the expectation is that in four years (length of my lease) the expectation is that EV/PHEV residuals will be stronger than conventional fuel
 

icowden

Veteran
Location
Surrey
It's a lease. Interestingly, the lease cost of the equivalent conventional fuel model was significantly more expensive although the list price is lower.

That's good but it's still a PHEV, so still emitting gasses and burning fossil fuel. What we need is a competent government.
This is what happens in Norway:

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So although the import price on the e-golf is 11,000 euros higher, by the time you have paid emissions taxes, weight tax and VAT, the EV is cheaper.
Guess which country is leading the way in converting to EVs?

The Norwegian Parliament has decided on a national goal that all new cars sold by 2025 should be zero-emission (electric or hydrogen). By the end of 2020, there were more than 330.000 registered battery electric cars (BEVs) in Norway. Battery electric vehicles held a 54 % market share in 2020. The speed of the transition is closely related to policy instruments and a wide range of incentives.

It turns out that if you incentivise people to buy electric, and charge them extra to buy ICE / PHEV, they will buy electric!!
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
That's good but it's still a PHEV, so still emitting gasses and burning fossil fuel. What we need is a competent government.
It is. However, we estimate that approximately 80% of our current conventional fuel driving will be done wholly and exclusively using battery power

Of course Norway is incentivising people heavily to switch to EVs. This level of incentivisation isn't sustainable in the long run. It just makes personal EVs cheaper than they should be. So once the switch has been made, Norway will start to remove the incentives and will start to charge VAT etc on EVs. The interesting question is that, by then, will the importation prices of EVs have come down to conventionally fuelled levels or will they remain fundamentally more expensive to make? If they remain more expensive to make, putting the VAT back on after the switch makes EVs more expensive than the historical prices of conventionally fuelled vehicles going forward

"Great", I hear you say. "It'll reduce the number of cars on the road". That's true. But electorates have long memories
 
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