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First self driving (reported) fatality
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Illaveago
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The first fatality was in July 2016 when a Tesla tried to drive through a lorry trailer, the car was in auto mode.
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jefmcg
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autopilot is semi-autonomous more like glorified cruise control.
Bazzer
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[QUOTE 5190997, member: 45"]...and the "Safety Driver" was on FB...[/QUOTE]
Nah google for the nearest Krispy Kreme doughnut store.
Nah google for the nearest Krispy Kreme doughnut store.
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jefmcg
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Either that's a crap camera, or uber deliberately darkened the video.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=1XOVxSCG8u0
Edit: Uber use night-vision, to show us the driver not doing her job, inside the cabin, but my-first-video-camera pointing outside.
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classic33
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Irish scientist Mary Ward, was run over by a steam-powered car in 1869 in County Down, possibly making her the first auto-traffic victim in history.
(Source: Citystreets.org, Wikipedia)
PMarkey
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According to a post on another forum the Uber car was driving with part of it's system switched off (Mobileye collision avoidance system) Mobileye are reported to be very unhappy .
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jefmcg
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Thanks for the update. Do you have link to the other forum and ... do we know if the driver (whom Uber named really quickly) was aware that subsystems had been disabled?
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deptfordmarmoset
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And for them what don't have enough time for yet another cycling forum, this might help: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-suv-s-standard-safety-system-before-fatality
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[QUOTE 5196822, member: 45"]That suggests that the standard Volvo collision avoidance system had been disabled so that the separate Uber avoidance system could be tested.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is what is referred to here.
Whilst Uber appear to have truly shot themselves in the foot with this, I don't see the issue of self driving cars going away.
Yes, that is what is referred to here.
Whilst Uber appear to have truly shot themselves in the foot with this, I don't see the issue of self driving cars going away.
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jefmcg
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Uber settles with family of woman killed by self-driving car
We took longer than that to arrange my mum's funeral.
We took longer than that to arrange my mum's funeral.
Bazzer
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Seems like Tesla also employ f**kwits
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43604440
Such gems as:
"The driver had received several visual and one audible hands-on warning earlier in the drive," a statement on the company's website said.
"The driver's hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision."
"The driver had about five seconds and 150m (490ft) of unobstructed view of the concrete divider... but the vehicle logs show that no action was taken," the statement added."..........
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43604440
Such gems as:
"The driver had received several visual and one audible hands-on warning earlier in the drive," a statement on the company's website said.
"The driver's hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision."
"The driver had about five seconds and 150m (490ft) of unobstructed view of the concrete divider... but the vehicle logs show that no action was taken," the statement added."..........
mjr
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"It led the company to introduce new safety measures, including turning off Autopilot and bringing the car to a halt if the driver lets go of the wheel for too long."
So how long is too long for Tesla's dead man's handle to activate the brake?
So how long is too long for Tesla's dead man's handle to activate the brake?
SkipdiverJohn
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This just proves my point about humans becoming bored and losing concentration if asked to do a non-stimulating, tedious task like watching a machine in case it malfunctions. Also keeping your hands on the steering wheel of a vehicle when someone/something else is actually doing the steering is an unnatural action, IMHO. If someone managed to design a self-propelling, self-steering bike with a "safety rider" just sitting on the saddle as a passenger, you would soon get a spate of "offs" as their attention would wander and if the bike failed, by the time they were shaken back to an alert state, any human reaction would come too late.
There is also the issue of the judgement and motor control skills needed to pilot any kind of vehicle. When we drive a car (or ride a bike), we are constantly using the experiences we encounter on a journey as feedback that maintains and improves our skills. The more miles we cover the better we become because our brain receives more and more information. Take away the need for a human to have those skills in order not to crash their car or fall off their bike, and those skills won't be there when they are needed. Imagine sticking an aircraft pilot and co-pilot in the cockpit of a plane they had no actual experience of flying under manual control. If the autopilot failed they would have no stored experience in their heads from which to draw on to take over manually. They would be no better than grabbing a random passenger out of the cabin and asking them to fly the plane. For this reason I believe that self-driving vehicles are just a non-starter, except in a closed environment that excludes humans and animals from coming into contact with the vehicles.
There is also the issue of the judgement and motor control skills needed to pilot any kind of vehicle. When we drive a car (or ride a bike), we are constantly using the experiences we encounter on a journey as feedback that maintains and improves our skills. The more miles we cover the better we become because our brain receives more and more information. Take away the need for a human to have those skills in order not to crash their car or fall off their bike, and those skills won't be there when they are needed. Imagine sticking an aircraft pilot and co-pilot in the cockpit of a plane they had no actual experience of flying under manual control. If the autopilot failed they would have no stored experience in their heads from which to draw on to take over manually. They would be no better than grabbing a random passenger out of the cabin and asking them to fly the plane. For this reason I believe that self-driving vehicles are just a non-starter, except in a closed environment that excludes humans and animals from coming into contact with the vehicles.
