Five cyclists killed on Retirement Ride in Nevada
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12boy
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- Location
- Casper WY USA
I don't hear all that well but I can hear big knobby tires and diesel engines from a mile away sometimes. I never ride with ear buds because my ears are almost as important as eyes in alerting me to danger. I feel safest on my Brompton, minivelo and a Xootr Swift folder because people find them funny or odd and notice them more. (Clown bikes)
HobbesOnTour
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- Location
- España
I'd imagine it may have something to do with Covid?
Would be great if it were ride-thru
HobbesOnTour
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- Location
- España
Unfortunately it turns out not to be just a tragic accident.
The truck driver has been arrested on a DUI charge. Meth apparently.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...r-after-crash-that-killed-5-cyclists-2221742/
The truck driver has been arrested on a DUI charge. Meth apparently.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...r-after-crash-that-killed-5-cyclists-2221742/
matticus
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IMO that's a very well written news article. Being in the UK I found it odd that they included police bodycam footage, but it does give enormous insight to the story.
Incidentally, I would say it is "a tragic accident" - one with a root cause of professional driver with meths habit.
Very sad
12boy
Guru
- Location
- Casper WY USA
Meth is a real problem in this country.
Rusty Nails
We remember
- Location
- Living in the slow lane
IMO that's a very well written news article. Being in the UK I found it odd that they included police bodycam footage, but it does give enormous insight to the story.
Incidentally, I would say it is "a tragic accident" - one with a root cause of professional driver with meths habit.
Very sad
If drugs are involved it's an accident waiting to happen and a crime, not a "tragic accident".
matticus
Guru
That's a distinction I hadn't anticipated; so if you're murdered tonight, that won't be tragic (as it's a crime)?
Rusty Nails
We remember
- Location
- Living in the slow lane
If I am murdered tonight it will be very tragic to me, and hopefully my family, but it won't be a tragic accident............and the police will be informed of your comments.
We can argue about the definition of an accident till the cows come home, and really that is not important in this discussion, but imo an accident is something that happens by chance, and being under the influence of drugs or alcohol significantly increases the likelihood beyond the level of pure chance.
matticus
Guru
I'd say it just increased the chance. What does "pure chance" mean? Everything we do affects the odds - unless we do something WITH THE INTENTION that harm to another is more likely, any harm is an accident. You couldn't even say that it was inevitable someone would die - let alone these poor bu99ers. This is why murder and man-slaughter are different crimes (just as a for example).
That's the distinction to me; was it intended?
That's the distinction to me; was it intended?
Rusty Nails
We remember
- Location
- Living in the slow lane
Distinction between what?
To me, if you take a deliberate step, such as taking drugs, that is known to impair judgement or concentration or timing, you are increasing the likelihood of an accident, or making it an "accident waiting to happen".
You do not have to have intent to be guilty of a crime, particularly as the driver of a heavy lump of metal.
DCLane
Found in the Yorkshire hills ...
- Location
- Dewsbury, West Yorkshire
News update: the truck driver has been charged having been found to have methamphetamines - https://road.cc/content/news/truck-driver-had-methamphetamine-his-system-279605 
