FNRttC - could it be a club?

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theclaud

Openly Marxist
Location
Swansea
and confirmation that affiliated members are covered. Excellent!

And I'm in such a good mood that I'll gladly accept that 'The Fridays' was a bit of a silly name for a club. Any ideas?

Oh I don't know - I think I kinda like it, except for the slight involuntary association with The Happy Mondays. How's that jersey design coming along.

Sounds like progress. Go with whichever you prefer, of course, but my instinctive preference is the first option. Incidentally, if you want to have a one-off/occasional whip round the current FNRttCers for a sort of FNRttC contingency fund - affiliation for skint folks, unforeseen fees or whatever, then I'm sure we'll all bung a few quid in...
 

HaloJ

Rabid cycle nut
Location
Watford
Best get my CTC membership then as I rather enjoy way-pointing even if I do, on occasion, take off at speed in entirely the wrong direction. :biggrin:
 

redjedi

Über Member
Location
Brentford

a) start up affiliate club and ask all non-CTC members to join the CTC through the Club. Club membership £1 and an additional £12 for non-members to the CTC. We're allowed five non-members on the ride, and those five places would be for LCC or BC members. From my point of view this is a decent deal because it will cost Susie and I just £24.

If that's for a years membership to both CTC and the Friday Club, then that is more than acceptable for me.
 

StuAff

Silencing his legs regularly
Location
Portsmouth
Oh I don't know - I think I kinda like it, except for the slight involuntary association with The Happy Mondays. How's that jersey design coming along.

Sounds like progress. Go with whichever you prefer, of course, but my instinctive preference is the first option. Incidentally, if you want to have a one-off/occasional whip round the current FNRttCers for a sort of FNRttC contingency fund - affiliation for skint folks, unforeseen fees or whatever, then I'm sure we'll all bung a few quid in...

Name's fine, contingency fund's a good idea....
 

TimO

Guru
Location
London
I'm a bit late to this discussion, but I'll put in my ha'penny worth.

I'd happily go with whatever option you eventually choose, £12 a year (or anything close to that) is a bargain as far as I'm concerned, and I already have CTC and LCC membership, but wouldn't worry if I had to pay another fee on top of that.

A greater issue with that is obviously if charges are seen as being a bar to people joining up, so I think whatever option is gone with, it needs to be one which doesn't dissuade people from coming along to try things out. I suspect charging people £1 to do a ride, and which it's clearly explained is to cover costs alone and that there is no profit element, shouldn't stop anyone joining. If you can't afford £1 for a ride, then you probably can't afford to keep you bike minimally safe either, in which case we probably don't want you along on the ride anyway. Requiring something like £12 for annual membership when people may not know if they want to do any more rides would be a bad thing.

If we ended up being limited to 5 non-members only, as would appear to be one of the problems with the current CTC cover, that could be a problem, since I doubt any ride in 2010 had that few non-CTC members (with the exception of the Dieppe ride, but that was a special case). Whatever way things go, that has to be addressed, or things won't work anywhere near as well.

By the sound of things, I'm probably covered by the CTC when I'm TECing, but it wouldn't have worried me anyway. Simon makes it quite clear that your bike should be serviceable (and as others have pointed out that's your responsibility as a road user anyway). If something fails, then arguably you haven't entirely followed that, although this obviously depends on the exact nature of the failure.

I do my own maintenance, and wouldn't risk my own neck unless I considered myself to be largely competent. I wouldn't repair a bicycle if I didn't consider it safe to ride myself. On the odd occasion when there has been an issue (and the main offending bicycle/rider was mentioned earlier in the thread!) I've made the rider very aware of the risk that they are taking with their cycle operating like that. To an extent people ought to be aware that none of us are partaking in these rides as professional bicycle mechanics, ride leaders etc, and consider that when accepting aid. Everyone has a personal responsibility when taking part in the ride, and arguably that can be extended to them making an assessment over whether they wish to let someone else repair their bicycle. I'll admit that there is also an argument that Simon could be liable since by letting someone like me TEC, he's implying that I have some degree of competence in the TEC task.
 
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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
Tim is right - the last three rides had

- 31 non-CTC members and one BC member
- 36 non-CTC members and three LCC members
- 26 non-CTC members and one LCC member

but......if it takes collecting the 12 quid of all the people who are not members of any organisation and giving the LCC and BC people a pass, then I'll do it.

Let's see how it goes with the LCC on Tuesday.
 

TimO

Guru
Location
London
There are two obvious solutions to the heap of £1 coins problem:

(i) Do it online with Paypal (and as an aside, if we wanted registration etc online, there are probably plenty of people out there who are knowledgeable and willing to help out setting up a suitable website).

(ii) Collect the money at the end.

...and no, I'm not carrying them, I've already got enough tools and spares to weigh me down!
 

Mark Grant

Acting Captain of The St Annes Jombulance.
Location
Hanworth, Middx.
Another possible solution to the 'weighty' problem of £1 coins, several of us carry a fiver and take five coins from Simon in exchange. Spread the load and the cafe / pub ends up with plenty of change on Saturday. :biggrin:

Mark.
 

slowmotion

Quite dreadful
Location
lost somewhere
Another possible solution to the 'weighty' problem of £1 coins, several of us carry a fiver and take five coins from Simon in exchange. Spread the load and the cafe / pub ends up with plenty of change on Saturday. :biggrin:

Mark.

Excellent solution...but I think Simon hands back four at HPC, surely?
 

Tim Hall

Guest
Location
Crawley
we are inching forward. I've had word from Butterworth Spengler.

I’ve just referred this to a colleague of mine who deals with the CTC. She stated that the Club who be covered for Organisers Liability and that the members would be covered under their own CTC membership for their participation in the ride even if they stopped to help a fellow rider etc.

So - if the TECs are CTC members they are ok. Deep sigh of relief. I just need to check that this holds good with affiliated club members, but I'm sure that it will


Leaving aside the typo from your Butterworth Spengler contact (should it be "would be covered.."?) Am I right in understanding this to mean if I as a non CTC member stump up a princely £12 pa I get affiliated to the CTC and can then point the way down Lonesome Lane with impunity? (By the way, the Big Hole at the junction with Lodge Lane has opened up again).

Or will my having third party insurance (either through the Tandem Club or my household insurance) give me that pleasure?
 

MacB

Lover of things that come in 3's
That raises an interesting point. If a new rider turns up and says "I am a member of the CTC and my membership number is x" then the quality of their insurance is known (assuming that they are not lying about the membership). If another new rider turns up and says "that's OK my household policy covers me" who is going to read the small print of that policy to make sure that it covers everything required?

Maybe we need registration plates on bikes, a little tax disc and a licence, could it all be starting here?
 
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