French vs British Cuisine

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vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
Chicken Tikka Massala, invented in Scotland is one of Britains favourites. :hungry:

Apparently a Drunk Scottish guy said "can you no make some gravy wi that"

Depends who you want to believe

The MPs, led by Mohammed Sarwar, claim the dish was invented in Glasgow in the early 1970s and now want official European Union recognition through a "Protected Designation of Origin". It would put Glasgow's chicken tikka masala on a par with Parma's Parmesan cheese or French 'Champagne'.

The move is based on the claim by Ahmed Aslam Ali to have invented the dish at his Shish Mahal restaurant in Glasgow. "We used to make chicken tikka and one day a customer said 'I'd take some sauce with that, this is a bit dry' so we cooked chicken tikka with the sauce which contains yoghurt, cream, spices," he said.

But his claim has been dismissed as "preposterous" by Delhi's leading food historians, although its exact origin remains unclear.

Zaeemuddin Ahmad, a chef at Delhi's Karim Hotel, which was established by the last chef of the last Mughal emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar, said the recipe had been passed down through the generations in his family.

"Chicken tikka masala is an authentic Mughlai recipe prepared by our forefathers who were royal chefs in the Mughal period. Mughals were avid trekkers and used to spend months altogether in jungles and far off places. They liked roasted form of chickens with spices," he said.

Rahul Verma, Delhi's most authoritative expert on street food, said he first tasted the dish in 1971 and that its origins were in Punjab. "Its basically a Punjabi dish not more than 40-50 years old and must be an accidental discovery which has had periodical improvisations," he said.

Hemanshu Kumar, the founder of Eating Out in Delhi, a food group which celebrates Delhi's culinary heritage, ridiculed Glasgow's claim. "Patenting the name chicken tikka masala is out of the question. It has been prepared in India for generations. You can't patent the name, it's preposterous," he said.

It's a bit like the disputes between musicians over the origins of a riff, refrain or major part of a song.
 
But that was dining in a poncified environment.

'I told our cook' :rofl:

When I tell my butler to tell my cook to make me something special I always get the same response:

'D'ya want mushy peas wi' that?'

I'll grant you that the French domestic staff are superior.
No, this is poncified:
http://www.saintjames-bouliac.com/pdf/restaurant/cartes-restaurant-en.pdf

Rib of beef from my friend ‘Cyril’ (for two persons) Studded with truffle and traditionally roasted Potatoes compressed with old ewes, crystallized shallots deglazed with veal juice
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Arrowfoot

Guest
I was in Hong Kong some years back and during dinner with a group of locals one of them asked me about fried Mars bar in front of the Group. We invented the radar, the Harrier Jump jet but fried Mars bar was so wrong. How do you explain to former subjects of the late British Empire on which the sun never sets the this was a genuine apparition. The rest of the dinner was spent woking out defensive strategies if Chicken Tikka Masala came up.
 

Stephenite

Membå
Location
OslO
Everyone was out when I got home this evening and I had to fend for myself. Ladies and gentlemen may I present to you.. Beans on bacon on cheese on toast, a little HP sauce and a mug of pg Tips. :smile:
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vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
I was in Hong Kong some years back and during dinner with a group of locals one of them asked me about fried Mars bar in front of the Group. We invented the radar, the Harrier Jump jet but fried Mars bar was so wrong. How do you explain to former subjects of the late British Empire on which the sun never sets the this was a genuine apparition. The rest of the dinner was spent woking out defensive strategies if Chicken Tikka Masala came up.

Deep fried Harrier Jump Jet beats andouilettes anyday.
 
What answer do you want?

What point are you trying to make?
That British food depends on how far back you go. Balti is British. Do is fish and chips. It not if you don't go back very far.
 

derrick

The Glue that binds us together.
HA HA HA HA!
The French beat the British hands down in every respect of cooking and eating. From the balanced diet to not having miserable works canteens full of people hurriedly jamming their mouths full, or pushing a bought sandwich into their mouths as they walk along the street.
Just a quick for instance, when I lived in France I had a longing for a certain traditional English dish. I told our cook, who set to work getting the ingredients and for that night's tea we had the best egg, chips and beans ever. Fresh eggs cooked to perfection, chips with not an extra scrap of grease, haricot beans in a fresh tomato sauce, simply wonderful and not in the least poncified and spiced up as an English chef would given the chance.
Honestly in the 10 years I lived there I never had a duff meal. Then for a special Sunday or celebration, well! Even just the starters-perhaps oysters or mussels with salad-would be a meal in Britain.
The french do not know what a fried egg is let alone cook one, I have travelled through france a few times i don't even ask for a fried egg anymore.:laugh:
 

vickster

Squire
The French eat offal by the organ load. Rondons in sherry sauce is probably among the most revolting thing that has ever been served me as food, worse even than calf fries in a steak restaurant in Fort Worth ;)

At least we have the decency to hide offal in sausages and pretend it's pork!
 
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