Garden Waste

[jowwy]

No, I won't read that again. It is out of context, and completely clear to the rest of us what he was referring to.

If you want to be overly pedantic, and pretend you thought he was including people who prefer to do it themselves, go ahead. That doesn't make what you were responding to "a load of nonsense" though. It means one line in what he wrote could have been a little clearer if you want to nitpick.

its not out of context, its exactly what he wrote........do you have access to every ones brains, to know what they are thinking?? if so, there some people in science and research areas, that might want to talk to you

 

[biggs682]

Ours collect for free at the moment

 

[Dave7]

Secondly why should someone without a garden subsidise removal of your garden waste. I pay £35pa for 25 collections.

A good point tbf.

 

[jowwy]

A good point tbf.

its not a good point really is it, as many have pointed out.......there is lots in the council tax payment that people pay for and dont have access, the right to access or use. Yo win some, you lose some, in that sense

 

[Dave7]

its not a good point really is it, as many have pointed out.......there is lots in the council tax payment that people pay for and dont have access, the right to access or use. Yo win some, you lose some, in that sense

Sorry for having a thought that differs to yours ....I will try not to do it again.

 

[Alex321]

its not out of context, its exactly what he wrote........do you have access to every ones brains, to know what they are thinking?? if so, there some people in science and research areas, that might want to talk to you

Of course it is what he wrote.

You clearly don't understand what "out of context" means if you think that means it wasn't.

It was completely clear from the context (i.e. the rest of the post) that he was talking about those who want it doing by somebody else but aren't prepared to pay the rates asked for by properly accredited professionals.

Part of that context being - later in the same sentence " ("I'm not pay £45/hr when mi'laddo down the road with a van will do it for £25/hr.......) ".

I doubt there is anybody else who read that post who thought he might be including those who would rather do it ourselves.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

We pay £35 for a single bin collected every 2 weeks -same day as the recycling bin which makes it easy to remember

2 other points
1) I could just lob it over the fence at the botton of the garden - it is just trees and bushes. In fact it would actually land on land that is part of my property because the fence seems to have migrated a couple of feet closer to the house before I moved in - but I choose to have it collected and composted properly - mainly because it is less trouble
2) People who pay a 'reasonable' price for rubbish to be removed - e.g. lawns mowed and grass removed - can check the operator's license all they like but the operator still gets charged every time they dump stuff
Hence, they have an incentive to charge correctly including dumping - then lob it over a fence into field
Bonus point) I can;t remember seeing garden type waste dumped around here when out cycling - I do see some fly tipping and I have started to photograph and report it whenever I can - it has all been general waste - boxes, chipboard and all that stuff

 

[jowwy]

Of course it is what he wrote.

You clearly don't understand what "out of context" means if you think that means it wasn't.

It was completely clear from the context (i.e. the rest of the post) that he was talking about those who want it doing by somebody else but aren't prepared to pay the rates asked for by properly accredited professionals.

Part of that context being - later in the same sentence " ("I'm not pay £45/hr when mi'laddo down the road with a van will do it for £25/hr.......) ".

I doubt there is anybody else who read that post who thought he might be including those who would rather do it ourselves.

that is separated from the other sentence with the word " OR".......

and again, just speak for yourself and not others.......but im done arguing, i didnt start this thread to argue with people about other peoples post's

i believe one thing, you believe another.....no one else has piped up, so don't speak on their behalf.

 

[johnblack]

Opened up the post, fairly innocuous discussion but just knew there would be a row, absolutely nailed on.

Free, every other week btw.

 

[MontyVeda]

They could easily break it down over a couple of 'green waste' collections. £45 an hour for gardening is steep. £25 max ?

a proper gardener shouldn't cost any less per hour than a plumber, joiner, plasterer or any other tradesmanperson.

 

[jowwy]

 

[Bonefish Blues]

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Listened I did. Done arguing you were?

 

[I like Skol]

If you can't do it yourself, or are unwilling to do so, then for you it warrants a professional service.

If you are able and willing to do it yourself, then for you it doesn't.

totally agree........

I'm confused now Jowwy. If you understand and agree with the points of Alex321 then what on earth is your question? You already knew the answer, it might almost be suggested that you started the thread just to pick a contrary stance to anyone that posted.....

I'll edit my posts below (in BOLD) just to clarify my statements for anyone struggling with the nuances of what I am saying.

Fly tipping is encouraged by the people who refuse to pay [a reasonable price] for the removal of waste by contractors or try to screw down the job to the lowest price or hourly rate ("I'm not pay £45/hr when mi'laddo down the road with a van will do it for £25/hr.......).

There is a huge chunk of society that doesn't want to pay [a reasonable price, covering all the related costs] that, after all who doesn't like a great price? But by doing so they are either ignorantly or by turning a blind eye, facilitating fly tipping.

This is clearly not aimed at someone who has the desire, ability and time to legally do part of the job themselves to keep the cost down, trading their time and effort for a financial saving.

I'm sure, given the option and a great price that included taking away the cuttings if you wanted them to and wasn't any cheaper if they didn't, then you would accept the offer?
Your original example of the £180 for four hours work may initially sound a bit expensive, but in reality, once the back ground costs are factored in (Those 2yr waste carrier licences aren't free you know?) as well as the cost and time of disposing of the cuttings (maybe £40-50 to the site that accepts them, plus probably an hour of the contractors time to travel, weigh in and unload) that £180 is suddenly down to £130-140 and it's not 4hrs work but 5 and hey presto £45/hr is now £25/hr and out of that £25 has to come some tax, some liability insurance, any fuel used, deductions for vehicles and equipment that aren't free and don't last for ever, accountants fees (lets face it, great gardeners might not be top drawer finance bods but still need to file some kind of tax return) and hopefully, just maybe, there might be some money left to take out some kind of wage that pays better than stacking shelves in Tescos!

Like I said way up-thread, some people know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

 

[Kingfisher101]

i cut a huge bush down and then cut all the long branches into shorter ones to fit in the bag, took me weekend in the sunshine..........and for free

How marvellous, I once cut down a whole forest with a penknife and I was paid for it and stayed in a 5 star hotel and had guest appearances on T.V to talk about it as well. I dined out on this for years. Those were the days..

 

[Bonefish Blues]

How marvellous, I once cut down a whole forest with a penknife and I was paid for it and stayed in a 5 star hotel and had guest appearances on T.V to talk about it as well. I dined out on this for years. Those were the days..

Aye - trouble is when you were finished it were all fields