Mo1959
Legendary Member
- Location
- Perthshire,Scotland
I plumped for Economy 10 as it spreads the times out better to keep the house warm.
At the moment it comes on 4.30am to 7.30am, 1.30pm to 4.30pm and 8.30pm to 12.30am.
Gas and electric daily use
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I plumped for Economy 10 as it spreads the times out better to keep the house warm.
At the moment it comes on 4.30am to 7.30am, 1.30pm to 4.30pm and 8.30pm to 12.30am.
That seems a useful spread, I suppose it all comes down to what the cost per kWh is.
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biggs682
Itching to get back on my bike's
- Location
- Northamptonshire
15 degrees in the kitchen this morning
Smart meter reading reading £2.36 so far .
It was nice to have a sunshine day yesterday as it meant that the majority of the day was free electricity.
Smart meter reading reading £2.36 so far .
It was nice to have a sunshine day yesterday as it meant that the majority of the day was free electricity.
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biggs682
Itching to get back on my bike's
- Location
- Northamptonshire
Surprisingly the washing machine is on and according to our smart meter it's not costing us anything even on this grey day
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
At the old place when the FIT was taken into account our energy was pretty much cost neutral.
- Location
- Next door to Mr Benn at No 54
What happens when your FIT contract ends?
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
Good question, I think the period was 20 years, and we were about halfway through when we moved. We were one of the last to be on the older more favourable tariff.
I dont know if it ends for good and thats it, or whether you you can reapply to go on a current FIT tariff.
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- Location
- Next door to Mr Benn at No 54
Is the Govment still accepting new systems on the FIT tariff?
Or will it just be "export tariff"?
Some early investors in Photovoltaic panels must be coming to the end of their twenty-five year contract.
Or will it just be "export tariff"?
Some early investors in Photovoltaic panels must be coming to the end of their twenty-five year contract.
Regular.Cyclist
Über Member
- Location
- South West Scotland 🏴
Given my energy provider won’t give me a date when they would be able to fit smart meters in my Dumfries and Galloway home, I have built myself a current clamp that connects to my home assistant installation. That allows me to monitor by electricity usage in much more detail. It’s only been running for around 20 hours and is already providing interesting information about the devices around my home.
I’m currently exploring the esp32 camera and “AI on the edge” to read my old gas meter and feed it into home assistant too.
I’m currently exploring the esp32 camera and “AI on the edge” to read my old gas meter and feed it into home assistant too.
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biggs682
Itching to get back on my bike's
- Location
- Northamptonshire
Ouch had the washing machine on a 30 minute wash this morning on the night rate electric and between pressing the go button and going to empty the machine just over 30 minutes later the smart meter had gone up 62p , wish I had left the washing machine till around 9 am so the panels could have partially powered the load
My annual energy cost:
- electricity 300 euro for 500 kWh = 1.7 euro per kWh = 7 times the listed kWh price.
- water 100 euro for 2m3 = 50 euro per m3 = 16 times the listed m3 price.
Without these fixed costs they introduced decades ago, I'd have paid 50 instead pf 390 euro. The less you consume, the more you pay, in my case 8 times as average of these 2.
I don't have anything that heats, so in winter it can be like just above the zero in house. There is a lot of heat (and cold) storing stuff so there is some dampening of the fluctuations that avoids higher or freezing.
I'm now considering ending the water supply since they want to replace the mechanical one with an electronic one with a telephone build in to pass the counter value.
I assumed it would be like the M+ key of a calculator, but lol, according to a technical doc I found online, it's like more a spy than a water device, every 3-7 second a measurement every day 24 measurements phoned home, memory of 1 week all hours, 1 month all days, 1 year all months and 1 decade all years. With the daily communication and remote storage, they can see upto a decade ago what hour and minute I filled a bottle water, and failed communications can a week long be reattempted without any loss of registration resolution.
Even that decade is not their choice - it's the lifetime of the kind of battery with the highest energy density of all (a fire danger with this type containing some toxic flagged materials), even used in space applications, because mechanical meters don't need electricity and laying a cable in the house from wherever to the base room is ofcourse a too big hassle, and also, gives people a chance to switch it off, of course a big ohno.
So, once they took your mechanical meter, you're destined to a replacement every 10 years, something they also don't advertise. Replacing the battery itself is not possible on location, because not designed to be done easy, ofcourse because they don't want people to be able to take it out themselves.
They go through all this hassle, compared to the mechanical one, not to not have to control every 5 years a consumer reported figure, but to force in all houses their BigData device. The communication of the electronic water meter on battery requires an electronic electricity meter (on mains so no power restrictions) to relay the signal.
Without, or when communication of the water meter fails due to faraday alike house building / interference, you still have to pass the counter value yourself.
Apparently, laws force this. I refused based on its invasive nature, linking to the doc I found, and they threated with stopping the supply, and I answerd that I wouldn't offer resistence since that would tag me as a criminal.
There is free water: rain, that I use the manual way, don't use their electricity and their sewage so they don't have me dependent on them.
But drinking needs to be very clean, so in case they shut off, and save me 100 bucks annually, I'll have to come up some manual filtering thing, because buying 2m3 2000 liter in 1.5 or 5 liter bottles is still 5 times more expensive and a hassle to transport with a bike.
So, those "smart" flagged Big Data spies, electricity and water, I don't need any of their functions. The electricity one I refused 2 years ago, upto now with no consequences but law dictates 2030 as their deadline...
In which case the choice could be some camping solar panel powerbank, for just handlight.
Computer and internet is then a go. Something to think about.
The win is the saved cost, and the independency, that is, freedom.
- electricity 300 euro for 500 kWh = 1.7 euro per kWh = 7 times the listed kWh price.
- water 100 euro for 2m3 = 50 euro per m3 = 16 times the listed m3 price.
Without these fixed costs they introduced decades ago, I'd have paid 50 instead pf 390 euro. The less you consume, the more you pay, in my case 8 times as average of these 2.
I don't have anything that heats, so in winter it can be like just above the zero in house. There is a lot of heat (and cold) storing stuff so there is some dampening of the fluctuations that avoids higher or freezing.
I'm now considering ending the water supply since they want to replace the mechanical one with an electronic one with a telephone build in to pass the counter value.
I assumed it would be like the M+ key of a calculator, but lol, according to a technical doc I found online, it's like more a spy than a water device, every 3-7 second a measurement every day 24 measurements phoned home, memory of 1 week all hours, 1 month all days, 1 year all months and 1 decade all years. With the daily communication and remote storage, they can see upto a decade ago what hour and minute I filled a bottle water, and failed communications can a week long be reattempted without any loss of registration resolution.
Even that decade is not their choice - it's the lifetime of the kind of battery with the highest energy density of all (a fire danger with this type containing some toxic flagged materials), even used in space applications, because mechanical meters don't need electricity and laying a cable in the house from wherever to the base room is ofcourse a too big hassle, and also, gives people a chance to switch it off, of course a big ohno.
So, once they took your mechanical meter, you're destined to a replacement every 10 years, something they also don't advertise. Replacing the battery itself is not possible on location, because not designed to be done easy, ofcourse because they don't want people to be able to take it out themselves.
They go through all this hassle, compared to the mechanical one, not to not have to control every 5 years a consumer reported figure, but to force in all houses their BigData device. The communication of the electronic water meter on battery requires an electronic electricity meter (on mains so no power restrictions) to relay the signal.
Without, or when communication of the water meter fails due to faraday alike house building / interference, you still have to pass the counter value yourself.
Apparently, laws force this. I refused based on its invasive nature, linking to the doc I found, and they threated with stopping the supply, and I answerd that I wouldn't offer resistence since that would tag me as a criminal.
There is free water: rain, that I use the manual way, don't use their electricity and their sewage so they don't have me dependent on them.
But drinking needs to be very clean, so in case they shut off, and save me 100 bucks annually, I'll have to come up some manual filtering thing, because buying 2m3 2000 liter in 1.5 or 5 liter bottles is still 5 times more expensive and a hassle to transport with a bike.
So, those "smart" flagged Big Data spies, electricity and water, I don't need any of their functions. The electricity one I refused 2 years ago, upto now with no consequences but law dictates 2030 as their deadline...
In which case the choice could be some camping solar panel powerbank, for just handlight.
Computer and internet is then a go. Something to think about.
The win is the saved cost, and the independency, that is, freedom.
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biggs682
Itching to get back on my bike's
- Location
- Northamptonshire
£146.59 combined electric and gas for the month of January
Alex321
Guru
- Location
- South Wales
The "display thing" is in fact completely separate to the actual smart meter, and can just be turned off and put in a cupboard if you don't like it. It has no effect whatsoever on the data being sent by the meter.
I'm just starting to dabble with HA. I have a Shelly current clamp on the feed to the heat pump so I can monitor and separate the heating / hw from the rest of the house load. The shelly app is excellent too.
