Get yourself seen!

[Kies]

If he was run over on a zebra crossing, then we know that someone ran him over on a zebra crossing. I'm not sure where you think the hidden complexities might lie...

For someone to be run over at a zebra crossing, a whole series of events must have taken place, some complex , for it to culminate in pedestrian injury.

 

[Kies]

Not really, I was only about 5 or 6 so I don't know how much of my memory is of what I remember of the event and how much is what I was told about it subsequeantly.
Still we dIgress. The point is that our roads have people in them who, for perfectly good reasons, are not lit up. Cars being lit more and more makes life more dangerous for them.

I agree on that point. Modern xenon lights, daytime running leds, brighter and brighter rear brake lights are not good for other road users

 

[theclaud]

For someone to be run over at a zebra crossing, a whole series of events must have taken place, some complex , for it to culminate in pedestrian injury.

It's not that complex. He was run over. Which means that who or whatever ran him over failed to stop before hitting him. What else do you need to know?

 

[Kies]

It's not that complex. He was run over. Which means that who or whatever ran him over failed to stop before hitting him. What else do you need to know?

I don't need to know, but don't agree with your simplistic take on it. I will leave it there :-)

 

[theclaud]

I don't need to know, but don't agree with your simplistic take on it. I will leave it there :-)

I'm just curious about the need to invoke irrelevant complexities, because it's a recurrent tendency on these kind of threads. One should not run people over. Pedestrian crossings should not be necessary at all, but because motorists are apt to forget that they are not entitled to run people over, they act as useful reminders of the fact. So if someone is run over on a pedestrian crossing, they have been run over by someone who has just been reminded that they should not run people over. It's an insult to injury thing.

 

[Noodley]

I hadn't taken zebra crossings into consideration before I bought my new white jacket.

Seen and safe, unseen and danger. seen and safe, unseen and danger, seen and safe, unseen and danger - unless of course I jump across and only stop in the black bits...but what about mid-air collision options when travelling thru the white? Oh no! Off to cancel it for something yellow...although a banana suit may not be that practical.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Hi-viz doth offend mine eye.

A good driver will always see a cyclist, lit or not, ninja or not, in time to take the action needed to avoid them.
A good driver will always see a pedestrian, lit or not, ninja or not, in time to take the action needed to avoid them.
A good driver will always treat more vulnerable road users with care and consideration regardless of whether or not they are a cyclist themselves.
A good driver will never wind down their window and shout 'advice' or insults at other road users.
A twunt in a car on the other hand....

I, as it happens, am not a good driver. Which is why I avoid driving if I can. I'm the 1% in the Brake/Direct Line survey data that suggests 99% of drivers think they drive better than the average driver.

 

[ComedyPilot]

Unless you're wearing black, then best stick to the white bits....

 

[Kies]

I'm just curious about the need to invoke irrelevant complexities, because it's a recurrent tendency on these kind of threads. One should not run people over. Pedestrian crossings should not be necessary at all, but because motorists are apt to forget that they are not entitled to run people over, they act as useful reminders of the fact. So if someone is run over on a pedestrian crossing, they have been run over by someone who has just been reminded that they should not run people over. It's an insult to injury thing.

Well i was going to leave it there sir, BUT " motorists are apt to forget that they are not entitled to run people over, they act as useful reminders of the fact" - what nonsense.
Are you suggesting drivers don't know they are in control of a killing machine?
Countless pedestrians step onto a zebra crossing knowing full well a car is travelling at 30+ mph, and expect the driver to notice them and stamp on the brakes!
Cyclist ride up and down kerbs, jump red lights, and comitt countless other misdemeanors that if NOT seen by a driver can result in injury or death.
My point being that it is NOT only the drivers responsibility to drive in a careful & considerate manner.

Adrian - this is not a comment on your case btw.

 

[theclaud]

Well i was going to leave it there sir, BUT " motorists are apt to forget that they are not entitled to run people over, they act as useful reminders of the fact" - what nonsense.
Are you suggesting drivers don't know they are in control of a killing machine?
Countless pedestrians step onto a zebra crossing knowing full well a car is travelling at 30+ mph, and expect the driver to notice them and stamp on the brakes!
Cyclist ride up and down kerbs, jump red lights, and comitt countless other misdemeanors that if NOT seen by a driver can result in injury or death.
My point being that it is NOT only the drivers responsibility to drive in a careful & considerate manner.

I thought so. When there's a sub-text of victim-blaming I prefer to tease it out into the open, then we all know where we stand...

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Well i was going to leave it there sir, BUT " motorists are apt to forget that they are not entitled to run people over, they act as useful reminders of the fact" - what nonsense.
Are you suggesting drivers don't know they are in control of a killing machine?
Countless pedestrians step onto a zebra crossing knowing full well a car is travelling at 30+ mph, and expect the driver to notice them and stamp on the brakes!
Cyclist ride up and down kerbs, jump red lights, and comitt countless other misdemeanors that if NOT seen by a driver can result in injury or death.
My point being that it is NOT only the drivers responsibility to drive in a careful & considerate manner.

You're clearly just another motorhead with a victim blaming mentality that rides a bike sometimes. Sigh.

 

[snorri]

There will always be arguments for specific instances, going with the majority here .... Cities,towns & villages is where the majority of folk live.

You yourself say in Post 70 " The roads are a shared space"
Roads without adjacent pavements canot be described as specific instances, I would hope the majority of contributors to this thread would be relating to the wider picture.

 

[MontyVeda]

Planet X sell little LED flashers for £2 each. At that price it is cheap enough to carry a pair to give to any ninjas you see on your travels, along with the spare tubes and tyre levers for anyone stupid enough not to have them.
Anyone else do this?

nice idea but... the tricky bit is seeing them

 

[Primal Scream]

You're clearly just another motorhead with a victim blaming mentality that rides a bike sometimes. Sigh.

How on Earth do you come to that conclusion.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

How on Earth do you come to that conclusion.

By reading all the posts on the entire thread, reflecting on them, and then deciding.

Fairly straightforward process really.