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jig-sore

Formerly the anorak
Location
Rugby
ComedyPilot said:
And also make cyclists think?

very true, the simple "in your face" message is hard to ignore. so what if you get a knotted feeling in your stomach, so what if it's morbid ???

i can think of very few other things that offer a "memorial" and a "shock tactic" in the same way.

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Bigtwin

New Member
skwerl said:
absolute bollocks. A ghost bike just represents that someone (almost exclusively a messenger) has been killed on their bike at that location. You can't extraoplate that to mean the location is, by definition, dangerous. A pile of ghost bikes is a different story. Assumption based on n=1 samples is just complete pants

Oh dear. You just don't get this do you.

OK then, being killed on a bike isn't an indication of danger. Right.

You are probably too stupid to care anyway. Your messenger comment gives the game away.
 

jig-sore

Formerly the anorak
Location
Rugby
addictfreak said:
Anorak

Your post implies that I said ghost bikes were a bad thing! I was merely enquiring as to what there are as I have never come across one.

yes it does, I'm sorry.

the you tube link was in response to you and the other comments were for other posters, i will edit the post to make that clear.
 

ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
London being a city with almost exclusive 40/30/20mph limits withing the M25?

How is it somewhere with such slow traffic can wreak such havoc and death?

Impatient, inattentive, aggressive, lacking-in-road-skills drivers combined with impatient, inattentive, aggressive and lacking-in-road-skills peds and cyclists.
 

MajorMantra

Well-Known Member
Location
Edinburgh
ComedyPilot said:
Every year you (and your mrs) must travel past HUNDREDS of roadside shrines to people killed in collisions. Do you avoid those roads, or get put off driving?

Driving doesn't suffer from the image problem that cycling does. One of the principal reasons people give for not cycling on the roads on a daily basis is that they perceive it to be too dangerous. Ghost bikes reinforce what is essentially a misconception.

Matthew
 

wafflycat

New Member
MajorMantra said:
Driving doesn't suffer from the image problem that cycling does. One of the principal reasons people give for not cycling on the roads on a daily basis is that they perceive it to be too dangerous. Ghost bikes reinforce what is essentially a misconception.

Matthew

That is my worry about them. I know what they are supposed to symbolise. I empathise with the sentiment. I also know what non-cycling acquaintances say to me about why they don't cycle and for a lot of them, if not most of them, it's that 'cycling is dangerous' Of course cycling has risks attached to it but overall it's a relatively safe activity in the great scheme of things. But my gut tells me that the intended symbolism of ghost bikes is going to be lost and they may just end up reinforcing the 'cycling is dangerous' view simply because we are such a car-centic nation.
 

ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
MajorMantra said:
Driving doesn't suffer from the image problem that cycling does. One of the principal reasons people give for not cycling on the roads on a daily basis is that they perceive it to be too dangerous. Ghost bikes reinforce what is essentially a misconception.

Matthew

Driving is promoted as being safe and cool by the media, when it is far from it. I can't think of one cycling fatality (in the last 20 years) within 20 miles of my door step, but at least a dozen people have died within 5 miles in the last 4 or 5 years (no, I am NOT a serial killer).

People have become idle in their ways and just look for excuses NOT to do something. The media and the nanny state promote 'risk assessment' but it just makes society 'risk averse'.

I hear it all the time. People in conversation are offered a place at some experience or other, be it kayaking, climbing, MTBing, sailing, skiing, camping, and the answer is almost universally, "No, I might get hurt/wet/cold/lost" or turned down with, "that's boring, I can't be bothered, only losers do that".

A lot of the kids that say they can't be bothered are raised by parents that 'can't be bothered'. Like breeds like. These kids are the same ones that scoff and bully kids that actually do the activities, then sit on park benches WHINGING that they are bored and have nothing to do.

People need to wake up and realise quickly we are here ONCE, this is not a dress-rehearsal, you don't get a second chance at life, so grab it by the scruff of the neck and DO IT.

When I was skydiving, I had just done a demonstration jump into a country show, as I gathered my parachute up, an old man with his wife said, "30 years ago I would have done that".

All I could think then, and still do now, is that there are going to be a lot of people on their death beds thinking, "If only........"


And I WILL NOT be one of them.
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
Ghost bikes make me sad very sad. For at the spot was once a cyclist who was cycling along.......... and was killed more than likely by a car/lorry/etc.

I was knocked down on a roundabout 10 years ago. The micro seconds before impact when I knew I was going to be hit and there was no way out, just as on TV, the chain of events went into slow motion like a hazy dream I can still hear me scream "Don't break my legs!" then a dull thud as I was flying through the air which seemed to take an age...... and then a heavy hard immovable bang as I hit the road in the middle of the roundabout. So perhaps I can emphasize with the last moments of these deceased cyclists. I'd rather not see them but feel it is for the better that they are beginning to appear where cyclists have lost their lives. Hopefully they will become a recognised national icon. Obviously it would be better if no cyclists were killed then they wouldn't be becoming more widespread but this isn't going to happen any time soon :tongue:. Without them there would not be interest from the local press or even national press, or to remind passing drivers the vulnerability of cyclists that a cyclist was knocked down at the spot. If they prevent one further serious injury or death they have bee worthwhile. It is so often the case that without a ghost bike a cyclists death is almost erased and they ceased to exist except by those who knew them personally.

So they make me very sad. I have only ever seen one and the rest on here or in the papers. It is a sobering reminder of the risks cyclists take when venturing onto UK roads.

I would hope that if I was ever knocked down, again, and I died, that some one would remember me....... by placing a ghost bike where I spent my last moments on this earth - that I was a cyclist - killed whilst riding my bike. All those cyclists with lives taken away.......... by often selfish inattentive drivers. RIP.

Anything to stop the carnage on the roads. Of course it is not always possible to place a white ghost bike eg the two TTers killed on the A1 in Bedfordshire earlier this year. As far as I know there are no ghost bikes there. Sadly there might be a market for them - frames, bars, saddles and wheels painted up in white.

How about putting a skeleton on the bike as well to increase impact? Not a real one obviously.

A cyclist would have to be a particularly hard hearted barsteward to be against ghost bikes especially as a cyclist lost their life at the spot.
 

Banjo

Fuelled with Jelly Babies
Location
South Wales
Crankarm said:
Ghost bikes make me sad very sad. For at the spot was once a cyclist who was cycling along.......... and was killed more than likely by a car/lorry/etc.

I was knocked down on a roundabout 10 years ago. The micro seconds before impact when I knew I was going to be hit and there was no way out, just as on TV, the chain of events went into slow motion like a hazy dream I can still hear me scream "Don't break my legs!" then a dull thud as I was flying through the air which seemed to take an age...... and then a heavy hard immovable bang as I hit the road in the middle of the roundabout. So perhaps I can emphasize with the last moments of these deceased cyclists. I'd rather not see them but feel it is for the better that they are beginning to appear where cyclists have lost their lives. Hopefully they will become a recognised national icon. Obviously it would be better if no cyclists were killed then they wouldn't be becoming more widespread but this isn't going to happen any time soon :smile:. Without them there would not be interest from the local press or even national press, or to remind passing drivers the vulnerability of cyclists that a cyclist was knocked down at the spot. If they prevent one further serious injury or death they have bee worthwhile. It is so often the case that without a ghost bike a cyclists death is almost erased and they ceased to exist except by those who knew them personally.

So they make me very sad. I have only ever seen one and the rest on here or in the papers. It is a sobering reminder of the risks cyclists take when venturing onto UK roads.

I would hope that if I was ever knocked down, again, and I died, that some one would remember me....... by placing a ghost bike where I spent my last moments on this earth - that I was a cyclist - killed whilst riding my bike. All those cyclists with lives taken away.......... by often selfish inattentive drivers. RIP.

Anything to stop the carnage on the roads. Of course it is not always possible to place a white ghost bike eg the two TTers killed on the A1 in Bedfordshire earlier this year. As far as I know there are no ghost bikes there. Sadly there might be a market for them - frames, bars, saddles and wheels painted up in white.

How about putting a skeleton on the bike as well to increase impact? Not a real one obviously.

A cyclist would have to be a particularly hard hearted barsteward to be against ghost bikes especially as a cyclist lost their life at the spot.


I like the skeleton idea but why not go for a lifelike dummy with horrific injuries and a pool of fake blood in the gutter?

If you really want to put beginners off and perpetuate the myth of how dangerous cycling is then why not be really graphic?

Call me a hard hearted barsteward if you like but I really dont want this kind of morbid memorial in my face any more than I would want an effigy of someone dying of a heart attack hanging from a lampost.
 
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