Giant defy 1 for touring

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doog

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Yeah p clips are an option. My main concern was that I'd spend £100 on a rack and panniers and be kicking them while I'm riding. I think I'll put a larger tyre on the rear as well as they are 23mm at the moment.

It might be worth looking closely at the back wheel, strength wise / spoke count etc. I did similar on an early tour on a CX bike and suffered broken spokes and a wrecked wheel..replaced it with a 36 spoke mavic and no issues since on that particular bike. As for heel clearance you should be able to move the panniers to the back of the rack to avoid heel contact.

As snorri says, I also got some frame flexing, need to try and see.
 
I was sold Avail 2 (2012) as a bike capable of taking a rack and panniers. And they tried to upsell to the Avail 1 with collar for the same use. I doubt you would have a problem unless you and the luggage came to more than - say - 110kg - or whatever the maximum recommended rider weight is.

Edit: maybe that should be missold :sad:

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/bikes/model/defy.1/24964/90517/

Dammit, can't upload images. Click on "what's my size". Says 4.5kg luggage. I've certainly put 10kg on, but probably not more.
 
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sir adrian dangerous

sir adrian dangerous

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I may have to add one of these to my growing list of bikes
 

steveindenmark

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I have a seatpost pannier rack for my Carbon roadbike. I use Ortleib front rollers without any problem but I would stick to the 10 kg limit, if only to protect my wheels.
 
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doog

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I'll be camping so I'll be taking a tent, sleeping bag and mat and all the usual cooking utensils

Sounds like a no go...what does it all weigh ? My gear is lighweight (ie 2 man tent 1.75kg) but all in for a tour Im knocking on 15kg plus

I wouldnt risk it without an upgraded rear wheel, one pothole and its tour over...what are the stock wheels ?
 

steveindenmark

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After yesterdays ride I have some more comments to make.

I took my Carbon road bike out for a ride and added my seatpost pannier rack and my Ortleib rear panniers with 15kg of kit. Usually I only have about 5kg in my panniers and they are the much smaller front rollers.

The first thing you notice with 15kg on a very light bike is that as soon as you pick it up, it wants to fall over. The next thing is that you have very little heel clearance from the bags, if any. If the pannier rack is fastened at the bottom of the seat post, the ride is twitchy, but you get used to it. If it is at the top of the seatpost it is extremely twitchy and I struggled to manage it.

I managed 56km but had to regularly alter the load as it moved due to the fact that I didnt want to overtightening the pannier rack to a Carbon seat post. The bags were also too big for the rack frame and got perilously close to the wheels. you need front rollers on this rack. front rollers equals less weight. I made great time and covered the distance in 2.20 hours. Thats quick for touring.

In the end I got fed up of messing about with the load and returned home by train. A nice ride and I learnt a lot from the test ride.

I will get out and Tour on my Carbon road bike but I will change the whole luggage thing to the bare minimum. A bit on the lines of the Transcontinental race set up or credit card touring. Certainly no tent, as I had yesterday.

If I was touring on a lightweight bike I would set myself a limit of 5kg max to the rear end and that is not easy. I would also add a bar bag to counter balance the pannier weight. I think every little helps.
 
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After yesterdays ride I have some more comments to make.

I took my Carbon road bike out for a ride and added my seatpost pannier rack and my Ortleib rear panniers with 15kg of kit. Usually I only have about 5kg in my panniers and they are the much smaller front rollers.

The first thing you notice with 15kg on a very light bike is that as soon as you pick it up, it wants to fall over. The next thing is that you have very little heel clearance from the bags, if any. If the pannier rack is fastened at the bottom of the seat post, the ride is twitchy, but you get used to it. If it is at the top of the seatpost it is extremely twitchy and I struggled to manage it.

I managed 56km but had to regularly alter the load as it moved due to the fact that I didnt want to overtightening the pannier rack to a Carbon seat post. The bags were also too big for the rack frame and got perilously close to the wheels. you need front rollers on this rack. front rollers equals less weight. I made great time and covered the distance in 2.20 hours. Thats quick for touring.

In the end I got fed up of messing about with the load and returned home by train. A nice ride and I learnt a lot from the test ride.

I will get out and Tour on my Carbon road bike but I will change the whole luggage thing to the bare minimum. A bit on the lines of the Transcontinental race set up or credit card touring. Certainly no tent, as I had yesterday.

If I was touring on a lightweight bike I would set myself a limit of 5kg max to the rear end and that is not easy. I would also add a bar bag to counter balance the pannier weight. I think every little helps.
Thanks for sharing yours experience Steve, I think I'm sticking with the credit card touring until I can afford a bike fit for the job. I'm currently using an arkel randonneur with tailrider bag, and a topeak tourguide for the handlebars. I really like the idea of packing your bike up and seeing where it takes you but for now I'll keep using the yha.
 
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